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07-09-2020, 02:56 PM
#8882
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
LAX would be a perfect market for the A220 (for the non-transcon routes). With its low operational break even, the A220 would make sense on those competitive routes (i.e., Seattle, SFO and Austin).
07-09-2020, 03:49 PM
#8883
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Originally Posted by copy
A220 would have been a good plane for LGB. Quiet, more NIMBY friendly, less capacity, etc. Maybe Breeze will go to LGB and give them a try there. But for B6 I don’t see LAX getting a 220 base quite yet. I’d guess BOS & JFK 190 would be replaced first. Who knows tho, the Rona is causing a lot of changes. I’d bet one day the 220 will have a west coast base. I just think LAX base, even at 70 flights a day if it gets there in 2025, will still be too small to justify 2 crew bases there.
07-09-2020, 04:06 PM
#8884
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
I wasn't here then, but it's my understanding that we had the E190 routing through the west coast without having a 190 West Coast base and it was the 190's reliability or lack thereof that killed that operation. The same strategy may be done with the A220, it has transcon range and is also comfortable doing relatively short hops.
07-09-2020, 04:48 PM
#8885
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Originally Posted by copy
Yeah it normally went via AUS iirc. And I was told they tried to fly it from like SLC-IAD and some other long weird routes on occasion...didn’t work out well. Also no dedicated mx on the west coast. Recipe for disaster. If they had made it an actual base and had parts stock and people who knew how to work on the 190 it could have been much better. But going forward they can’t half a$$ a base. If they ever do it, they need reserves, maintenance, and enough tails co-located in the system to absorb disruptions. Especially with a new plane. That’s why I don’t expect it to happen with the 220 until we have a large number of them. I would expect the 220 to do transcons fairly quickly though on some of the thin routes (RNO, ABQ, PDX, etc).
I think the lack of spare parts and lack of crew coverage is why the 190 got axed from the west coast stuff. Sick/emergency call in the middle of a trip meant the spare 320 would go fly that day.
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07-09-2020, 05:30 PM
#8886
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Originally Posted by Speedbird2263
I wasn't here then, but it's my understanding that we had the E190 routing through the west coast without having a 190 West Coast base and it was the 190's reliability or lack thereof that killed that operation. The same strategy may be done with the A220, it has transcon range and is also comfortable doing relatively short hops.
right! Exactly what gup said.
07-09-2020, 05:39 PM
#8887
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
the problem with the 190 out west was there was no support. If you timed out or a plane broke it took two days to fix it. We spent more time waiting for crews and parts than we did actually flying out west in the 190.
right! Exactly what gup said.
right! Exactly what gup said.
07-10-2020, 03:12 AM
#8888
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My opinion is there are more things coming. Most likely additional JFK slots and A220 delivery acceleration. The additional A220s could come from Breeze and or DL, as Flyby's research shows.
Still won't rule out an AA codeshare either.
Just my opinion.
Still won't rule out an AA codeshare either.
Just my opinion.
07-10-2020, 04:17 AM
#8889
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver
My opinion is there are more things coming. Most likely additional JFK slots and A220 delivery acceleration. The additional A220s could come from Breeze and or DL, as Flyby's research shows.
Still won't rule out an AA codeshare either.
Just my opinion.
Still won't rule out an AA codeshare either.
Just my opinion.
To be clear, closing LGB and opening LAX are management decisions—and are unrelated to the recently signed Letter of Agreement for furlough protection
07-10-2020, 04:38 AM
#8890
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Last I heard, the 190 plan as a 1:1 replacement with the A220 remains unchanged. Get rid of the policy of leaving a seat open, and now you have a bunch of 190s sitting around already paid for. Subject to change of course.
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