Kalitta Air now accepting FO applications
02-03-2016, 04:02 PM
#1311
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Position: 747
Posts: 29
Thank you Gentlemen...I try to keep it real.
With that sentiment, I will add the following:
- The Management is Neanderthal
- The Money is Pathetic
- If you are less than 60...Come here for a few Months to ****** Around and get a Type Rating and enjoy some International Class Cocktail Adventures
- A Diet Coke in Hong Kong costs more than " I Lub You Long Time". ( Yup. Really.)
- It's a GREAT PLACE...as a Stepping Stone for a few months until the Majors call, or an Elephant Graveyard to lie down and surrender your Tusks at the end of a Long Hard Road.
Peace.
DS
With that sentiment, I will add the following:
- The Management is Neanderthal
- The Money is Pathetic
- If you are less than 60...Come here for a few Months to ****** Around and get a Type Rating and enjoy some International Class Cocktail Adventures
- A Diet Coke in Hong Kong costs more than " I Lub You Long Time". ( Yup. Really.)
- It's a GREAT PLACE...as a Stepping Stone for a few months until the Majors call, or an Elephant Graveyard to lie down and surrender your Tusks at the end of a Long Hard Road.
Peace.
DS
02-03-2016, 06:50 PM
#1312
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Posts: 2,100
Originally Posted by Dead Serious
Here's the overall situation:
You must take all previous concepts of airline flying, aviation management, common sense, logic , order, and/or the Laws of Physics and the Universe and throw them out the window.
- There are no schedules. You may bid for a Hard Line, but you will rarely fly any of it. There are no contractual protections for this.
- Everything is random and chaotic. Scheduling rarely knows where you are, let alone what you are supposed to be doing. Every time there is a shift change the schedules change.
- Junior pilots don't have to worry about getting the worst stuff. Everything is done with no regard to seniority so you will get the same amount/type of flying as the guy with 20 years seniority.
- Day one Connie buys a ticket to wherever they want you. Day 17 Connie buys you a ticket home. You will probably fly 4-6 days of the 15 in between.
- Where? Very little domestic. You might fly a few domestic legs a year. The rest...throw a dart at the map of The World and you'll probably find yourself somewhere close at some point soon. There is a lot of DHL flying : CVG-BRU, LEJ, HKG, BAH, are common destinations.
- Day or Night? Yes.
- Days off are yours and are inviolable. 13-14 depending on month. No trip extensions.
- Great guys to fly with.
- Very comfortable flying. Especially with 2 pilots and an IRO. Everyone gets a 2+ hour nap or movie break on a typical 8 hour flight across the pond. Upper Deck is the Club House with 6-8 first class seats and generally 4 bunks per a/c. On some just 2 bunks, but in private staterooms. More food than anyone could ever eat. Full galleys, ovens, microwaves, chillers, real coffee pots.
- Excellent hotels Internationally ( a few domestically that could be improved upon but you rarely see them ). All airline and hotel points are yours. I've put in 5 years and took a weeks vacation in New England this summer.... Hotels, Rental car, Airfare = $80.00 out of pocket after points and travel awards. I still have several hundred thousand hotel points left and many,many,airline miles.
- Health Insurance - BEST IN THE INDUSTRY. FREE AFTER 5 YEARS. About $80.00/mo for the first 5 years.
Basically if you can wrap your mind around tolerating the idiocy, accept randomness as the rule, use the madness to your advantage and want to have fun flying the Queen and seeing the World with some really fun people...go for it.
If you really need structure or logic...Stay far away.
And if you have a Wife, Girlfriend, Kids, a Dog, a Business or ANYTHING else that requires your attention while you are away.... this job will eat at you as you sit for the 3rd day in a beautiful hotel in a distant country doing nothing for no good reason when you could be home attending to the aforementioned.
I've had a lot of fun here so far.
YMMV
D.S
You must take all previous concepts of airline flying, aviation management, common sense, logic , order, and/or the Laws of Physics and the Universe and throw them out the window.
- There are no schedules. You may bid for a Hard Line, but you will rarely fly any of it. There are no contractual protections for this.
- Everything is random and chaotic. Scheduling rarely knows where you are, let alone what you are supposed to be doing. Every time there is a shift change the schedules change.
- Junior pilots don't have to worry about getting the worst stuff. Everything is done with no regard to seniority so you will get the same amount/type of flying as the guy with 20 years seniority.
- Day one Connie buys a ticket to wherever they want you. Day 17 Connie buys you a ticket home. You will probably fly 4-6 days of the 15 in between.
- Where? Very little domestic. You might fly a few domestic legs a year. The rest...throw a dart at the map of The World and you'll probably find yourself somewhere close at some point soon. There is a lot of DHL flying : CVG-BRU, LEJ, HKG, BAH, are common destinations.
- Day or Night? Yes.
- Days off are yours and are inviolable. 13-14 depending on month. No trip extensions.
- Great guys to fly with.
- Very comfortable flying. Especially with 2 pilots and an IRO. Everyone gets a 2+ hour nap or movie break on a typical 8 hour flight across the pond. Upper Deck is the Club House with 6-8 first class seats and generally 4 bunks per a/c. On some just 2 bunks, but in private staterooms. More food than anyone could ever eat. Full galleys, ovens, microwaves, chillers, real coffee pots.
- Excellent hotels Internationally ( a few domestically that could be improved upon but you rarely see them ). All airline and hotel points are yours. I've put in 5 years and took a weeks vacation in New England this summer.... Hotels, Rental car, Airfare = $80.00 out of pocket after points and travel awards. I still have several hundred thousand hotel points left and many,many,airline miles.
- Health Insurance - BEST IN THE INDUSTRY. FREE AFTER 5 YEARS. About $80.00/mo for the first 5 years.
Basically if you can wrap your mind around tolerating the idiocy, accept randomness as the rule, use the madness to your advantage and want to have fun flying the Queen and seeing the World with some really fun people...go for it.
If you really need structure or logic...Stay far away.
And if you have a Wife, Girlfriend, Kids, a Dog, a Business or ANYTHING else that requires your attention while you are away.... this job will eat at you as you sit for the 3rd day in a beautiful hotel in a distant country doing nothing for no good reason when you could be home attending to the aforementioned.
I've had a lot of fun here so far.
YMMV
D.S
02-03-2016, 07:37 PM
#1313
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 769
Originally Posted by Dead Serious
Here's the overall situation:
You must take all previous concepts of airline flying, aviation management, common sense, logic , order, and/or the Laws of Physics and the Universe and throw them out the window.
- There are no schedules. You may bid for a Hard Line, but you will rarely fly any of it. There are no contractual protections for this.
Well, if you have a line that is over 62 hours, you get paid the line value no matter what you fly, but, if you move one of your days for whatever reason then you become reserve and lose the line value.
- Everything is random and chaotic. Scheduling rarely knows where you are, let alone what you are supposed to be doing. Every time there is a shift change the schedules change.
- Junior pilots don't have to worry about getting the worst stuff. Everything is done with no regard to seniority so you will get the same amount/type of flying as the guy with 20 years seniority.
- Day one Connie buys a ticket to wherever they want you. Day 17 Connie buys you a ticket home. You will probably fly 4-6 days of the 15 in between.
- Where? Very little domestic. You might fly a few domestic legs a year. The rest...throw a dart at the map of The World and you'll probably find yourself somewhere close at some point soon. There is a lot of DHL flying : CVG-BRU, LEJ, HKG, BAH, are common destinations.
Dont forget DEL....the garden spot.
- Day or Night? Yes.
- Days off are yours and are inviolable. 13-14 depending on month. No trip extensions.
- Great guys to fly with.
Except for the SCABs, thankfully they are dwindling in number.
- Very comfortable flying. Especially with 2 pilots and an IRO. Everyone gets a 2+ hour nap or movie break on a typical 8 hour flight across the pond. Upper Deck is the Club House with 6-8 first class seats and generally 4 bunks per a/c. On some just 2 bunks, but in private staterooms. More food than anyone could ever eat. Full galleys, ovens, microwaves, chillers, real coffee pots.
And the bunks get clean sleeping bags every month or so whether they need them or not!
- Excellent hotels Internationally ( a few domestically that could be improved upon but you rarely see them ). All airline and hotel points are yours. I've put in 5 years and took a weeks vacation in New England this summer.... Hotels, Rental car, Airfare = $80.00 out of pocket after points and travel awards. I still have several hundred thousand hotel points left and many,many,airline miles.
Free poundcake at the Five Clowns....you just cant put a price on that!
- Health Insurance - BEST IN THE INDUSTRY. FREE AFTER 5 YEARS. About $80.00/mo for the first 5 years.
After 3 years $40/month. One of the best parts of the compensation.
Basically if you can wrap your mind around tolerating the idiocy, accept randomness as the rule, use the madness to your advantage and want to have fun flying the Queen and seeing the World with some really fun people...go for it.
If you really need structure or logic...Stay far away.
And if you have a Wife, Girlfriend, Kids, a Dog, a Business or ANYTHING else that requires your attention while you are away.... this job will eat at you as you sit for the 3rd day in a beautiful hotel in a distant country doing nothing for no good reason when you could be home attending to the aforementioned.
I've had a lot of fun here so far.
YMMV
D.S
You must take all previous concepts of airline flying, aviation management, common sense, logic , order, and/or the Laws of Physics and the Universe and throw them out the window.
- There are no schedules. You may bid for a Hard Line, but you will rarely fly any of it. There are no contractual protections for this.
Well, if you have a line that is over 62 hours, you get paid the line value no matter what you fly, but, if you move one of your days for whatever reason then you become reserve and lose the line value.
- Everything is random and chaotic. Scheduling rarely knows where you are, let alone what you are supposed to be doing. Every time there is a shift change the schedules change.
- Junior pilots don't have to worry about getting the worst stuff. Everything is done with no regard to seniority so you will get the same amount/type of flying as the guy with 20 years seniority.
- Day one Connie buys a ticket to wherever they want you. Day 17 Connie buys you a ticket home. You will probably fly 4-6 days of the 15 in between.
- Where? Very little domestic. You might fly a few domestic legs a year. The rest...throw a dart at the map of The World and you'll probably find yourself somewhere close at some point soon. There is a lot of DHL flying : CVG-BRU, LEJ, HKG, BAH, are common destinations.
Dont forget DEL....the garden spot.
- Day or Night? Yes.
- Days off are yours and are inviolable. 13-14 depending on month. No trip extensions.
- Great guys to fly with.
Except for the SCABs, thankfully they are dwindling in number.
- Very comfortable flying. Especially with 2 pilots and an IRO. Everyone gets a 2+ hour nap or movie break on a typical 8 hour flight across the pond. Upper Deck is the Club House with 6-8 first class seats and generally 4 bunks per a/c. On some just 2 bunks, but in private staterooms. More food than anyone could ever eat. Full galleys, ovens, microwaves, chillers, real coffee pots.
And the bunks get clean sleeping bags every month or so whether they need them or not!
- Excellent hotels Internationally ( a few domestically that could be improved upon but you rarely see them ). All airline and hotel points are yours. I've put in 5 years and took a weeks vacation in New England this summer.... Hotels, Rental car, Airfare = $80.00 out of pocket after points and travel awards. I still have several hundred thousand hotel points left and many,many,airline miles.
Free poundcake at the Five Clowns....you just cant put a price on that!
- Health Insurance - BEST IN THE INDUSTRY. FREE AFTER 5 YEARS. About $80.00/mo for the first 5 years.
After 3 years $40/month. One of the best parts of the compensation.
Basically if you can wrap your mind around tolerating the idiocy, accept randomness as the rule, use the madness to your advantage and want to have fun flying the Queen and seeing the World with some really fun people...go for it.
If you really need structure or logic...Stay far away.
And if you have a Wife, Girlfriend, Kids, a Dog, a Business or ANYTHING else that requires your attention while you are away.... this job will eat at you as you sit for the 3rd day in a beautiful hotel in a distant country doing nothing for no good reason when you could be home attending to the aforementioned.
I've had a lot of fun here so far.
YMMV
D.S
02-04-2016, 04:42 AM
#1315
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by ASpilot2be
Are they firm on turbojet time? All my time is turboprop time.
02-04-2016, 07:12 PM
#1316
Qbicle seat warmer
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: SAAB FO
Posts: 1,177
Originally Posted by maxjet
Years ago they hired a bunch of B1900 guys. Some are still here and are Captains and Check Airmen
02-05-2016, 05:13 AM
#1317
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 585
Originally Posted by ASpilot2be
Thanks. The requirements only have turbojet time listed, but I guess I can try.
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