Kalitta Air now accepting FO applications
09-08-2016, 08:16 AM
#2231
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Originally Posted by Screwed
Watch the GMM video. The same questions/statements were made over and over again.
There is no TA. There are several major sections still open.
There is no TA. There are several major sections still open.
Once again there ARE NOT SEVERAL OPEN SECTIONS. The company has agreed to all proposed changes but not the 20 hour duty in the closeout package presented to them.
DW clearly stated in the GMM video and in his "rah rah I am so good" emails to us that, now listen closely and follow along here -
A REFUSAL OF ONE SECTION IS A REFUSAL OF ALL SECTIONS. Therefore by refusing the 20 hour duty, something that was not on the table from the beginning and recently just thrown in without consultation with our EXCO, DW is maintaining several open sections BS.
09-08-2016, 08:55 AM
#2232
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It was pointed out to me recently, that when Atlas signed their last contract,that they "lowered the bar" with their duty schedule. Status quo here at K4,is that we work presently a 17 day footprint with no, and I repeat, NO forced overtime. I didn't see 1224 stopping that contract. The new proposal lowers that to 16 days.
09-08-2016, 09:02 AM
#2233
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Originally Posted by Screwed
Right. I am UNINFORMED (I agree)
Bagram can be done in under 18 hours per trip. .
Bagram can be done in under 18 hours per trip. .
Hey **** for brains, the reason you never did the trips I am writing about is because of your 18/20/22 hour duty day restriction.
BTW, you do know this is only applicable for Double Crew operations. We have an 18 hour duty day for our normal 3 man crew. Yes that is right, our standard crew complement is 3, unlike yours which is lower
You are now dead to me
09-08-2016, 09:46 AM
#2234
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Originally Posted by Screwed
Why is it that Atlas pilots can make a living without having to HOE themselves out.
K4 pilots should be striving to better the current Atlas contract in every way.....not seeking to lowball it.
When UPS goes for a new contract they seek to better FedEx. When Delta goes for a new contract they seek to better UAL, etc. etc.
Not K4.....they want to lowball.
Its sad and pathetic. But at least the union is trying to prevent it.
K4 pilots should be striving to better the current Atlas contract in every way.....not seeking to lowball it.
When UPS goes for a new contract they seek to better FedEx. When Delta goes for a new contract they seek to better UAL, etc. etc.
Not K4.....they want to lowball.
Its sad and pathetic. But at least the union is trying to prevent it.
09-08-2016, 12:03 PM
#2235
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Posts: 68
Originally Posted by Screwed
Why is it that Atlas pilots can make a living without having to HOE themselves out.
K4 pilots should be striving to better the current Atlas contract in every way.....not seeking to lowball it.
When UPS goes for a new contract they seek to better FedEx. When Delta goes for a new contract they seek to better UAL, etc. etc.
Not K4.....they want to lowball.
Its sad and pathetic. But at least the union is trying to prevent it.
K4 pilots should be striving to better the current Atlas contract in every way.....not seeking to lowball it.
When UPS goes for a new contract they seek to better FedEx. When Delta goes for a new contract they seek to better UAL, etc. etc.
Not K4.....they want to lowball.
Its sad and pathetic. But at least the union is trying to prevent it.
09-08-2016, 12:22 PM
#2237
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Originally Posted by Code Red
My vote will be NO if I feel our contract language will benefit another carrier for leverage. This contract needs to be industry leading, and if we gotta strike then so be it.
09-08-2016, 01:40 PM
#2238
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Originally Posted by WhaleWrangler
.................................................. ........................................Therefore by refusing the 20 hour duty, something that was not on the table from the beginning and recently just thrown in without consultation with our EXCO, DW is maintaining several open sections BS.
Quit whining - $HIT or get off the pot!
09-08-2016, 01:43 PM
#2239
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Originally Posted by Whale Driver
If you NC and EXCO want to get a TA - SIGN IT! DW is not stopping your NC/EXCO from signing off on a TA. Just Sign it, then put it in writing to 1224. If they refuse to approve it then hire a lawyer an file a DFR.
Quit whining - $HIT or get off the pot!
Quit whining - $HIT or get off the pot!
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