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03-15-2017, 06:18 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
I am an instructor teaching people those points that are different from domestic flying...., first of all, How on earth are those skills? All these are things that are very easily trained with some groundschool and once you see it one time on the line, that's it.
Give me a break! Skills??????
Give me a break! Skills??????
03-15-2017, 06:32 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
Ocean crossings entail entirely new set of skills, such as HF radios, CPDLC, plotting, coast out checks, class 2 navigation, and a realization of the importance of transition levels and altitudes. Things that a domestic guy doesn't even know exist.
None of it is rocket science, but having this experience makes it easier for an employer to reduce training time.
None of it is rocket science, but having this experience makes it easier for an employer to reduce training time.
. I've been training Atlantic, Pacific, and Polar crossings since the early '90s. The program has becom quite benign over the years to say the least. Nowadays the paperwork or lack thereof offsets the boredom.
CPDLC?!?!? Oh yeah real tough. Have to put the paper down to make sure there's no message. That's tough training. HF? Um yeah... real tough... getting that SECLAL check.
I will say that drawing a circle about 5 minutes before the FIR prevents the "old knock on the door" greeting?
The toughest part of the job was wondering around JFX, ORD, SYD, LHR in the rain with a new crew member trying to match our location with the 10-9 out. Nowadays with the "Myown ship" feature of FDP in the EFB takes that pain.
I do review the PANSOPs book on occasion and review AIPs flying to different countries. After all, we don't want to appear to lack the proper skill sets... would we? :-(
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03-15-2017, 07:37 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
I am an instructor teaching people those points that are different from domestic flying...., first of all, How on earth are those skills? All these are things that are very easily trained with some groundschool and once you see it one time on the line, that's it.
Give me a break! Skills??????
Give me a break! Skills??????
03-15-2017, 07:44 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by captjns
Reads like a resume from a 1,000 hr pilot... with 25 hr Multi.... oh, including 200 hrs of simulator time too
. I've been training Atlantic, Pacific, and Polar crossings since the early '90s. The program has becom quite benign over the years to say the least. Nowadays the paperwork or lack thereof offsets the boredom.
CPDLC?!?!? Oh yeah real tough. Have to put the paper down to make sure there's no message. That's tough training. HF? Um yeah... real tough... getting that SECLAL check.
I will say that drawing a circle about 5 minutes before the FIR prevents the "old knock on the door" greeting?
The toughest part of the job was wondering around JFX, ORD, SYD, LHR in the rain with a new crew member trying to match our location with the 10-9 out. Nowadays with the "Myown ship" feature of FDP in the EFB takes that pain.
I do review the PANSOPs book on occasion and review AIPs flying to different countries. After all, we don't want to appear to lack the proper skill sets... would we? :-(
03-15-2017, 07:55 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
Ocean crossings entail entirely new set of skills, such as HF radios, CPDLC, plotting, coast out checks, class 2 navigation, and a realization of the importance of transition levels and altitudes. Things that a domestic guy doesn't even know exist.
None of it is rocket science, but having this experience makes it easier for an employer to reduce training time.
None of it is rocket science, but having this experience makes it easier for an employer to reduce training time.
You're right, none of that is rocket science. I'ts covered in about a week of indoc or transition class. Get over yourself. Flying a "heavy" isn't that big of a deal compared to a NB airliner. They just land differently.
03-15-2017, 07:57 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick
Yes, you nailed it. I've done a ton of both and IMHO "ocean crossings" are just hours and hours of "desk work" in cruise. Skills??? Hilarious. The "flying" sucks, but the layovers/time off is great. I've come to prefer domestic because it involves actual skills. Never really understood the widebody/international mystic. (How many times can you get excited about Brussels?) Some guys love long haul, just don't tell me about the skills involved.
03-15-2017, 08:04 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by Dolphinflyer
And don't forget divert procedures, a little different from dropping into Syracuse for a heart attack. "What's that KEF weather? What do you mean it's changed in 10 minutes?" 
"popcorn" seems to demonstrate the same lack of situational awareness as demonstrated on the FFDO thread. She sounds like she has the minimum Airbus standards met though. She has that going for her, I guess.
"popcorn" seems to demonstrate the same lack of situational awareness as demonstrated on the FFDO thread. She sounds like she has the minimum Airbus standards met though. She has that going for her, I guess.
I have been an airline pilot for 17 years and have PIC type ratings in 4 airliners, including two in the Airbus family. I really don't care what you think of my skills on an anonymous message board, and neither does anyone else. Now go clean your gun Harry.
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