Grumpyaviator

I think these threads pop up through lcc and regional pilots looking for an alternate way into the majors.

fcoolaiddrinker

because when there’s no incentive (free market) for efficiency costs go up substantially. Unless your proposing the government does it at a lose. These are basic economic principles of a capitalist society.

fcoolaiddrinker

Amen. Every f9 pilot I know that went overseas (Emirates, Asiana, ect..) in 2008/2009 came back. Not only did they run back they ran back to a sub standard contract at the time.

fcoolaiddrinker

Awesome. And get paid the same as the fa and rampers.

havick206

At least the Russian flight attendants are all models.

fcoolaiddrinker

They deserve the $ then. Not so sure about the ramp?

fcoolaiddrinker

Maybe we can get the mig engine de-ice trucks as well? F-18 engine de-ice trucks.

flensr

One of the nice things about the way things are now, is that the diversity of companies and pilot groups can let each of us find a company that is the best fit for us. A single contract would be born out of an immense poo flinging contest, as tens of thousands tried to get what they consider to be the "best" parts of their current work rules implemented. We'd end up with work rules that everyone hated.

Plus, the companies themselves wouldn't stand for it because they all have different hiring priorities. My spirit interview was a 4-5 hour personality driven reality show and they wash out posers in training. Delta went on and on about my high school grades, spent less than 5 minutes discussing flying qualifications and experience, and hated me so much they didn't even offer a do-over. Southwest was a couple of hours talking about flying with a guy who had more flight time than I'll ever have, before I was even born. My friends flying Cargo sitting reserve make more than I do in my best month and can't believe I willingly put up with PAX issues. Completely different hiring priorities, and pilots have a chance to find a pilot group, company, and contract that fits their personality and work/lifestyle preferences. That would all vanish with a single contract and national seniority list.

fcoolaiddrinker

Excellent points along with sky jet and grumpy’s point about the logistical nightmares involved we can probably put this to bed for another 2-3 years.

FXLAX

Not really. Sky jet said it won’t happen because pilots would get displaced. But that doesn’t have to be the case, and he even said so. So he disregarded that point of his and said that even without displacements, pilots would have to wait until all furloughed ones are hired first. In essence, that happened. All the pilots with better qualifications (furloughed pilots) get hired before pilots without previous airline experience. Then he says that pilots would not take early outs when offered they would know that their job isn’t in danger. But none of the senior pilots that took early outs did it because they were fearing for their job. That’s doesn’t make sense, plus their jobs were never in danger because they are senior.

As for flensr, his assumptions don’t have to be true either. For example, you can make it so that each airline has complete control on who they hire and how they do it. And pilots can only “bid” and airlines can only take pilots in the NSL when there is an excess of pilots on the list (when another airline furloughs it goes out of business) assuming they are in need of pilots. You can even make it so that you can only exercise your NSL rights when your airline goes out of business. As for negotiating a contract, the union would just negotiate baseline items like pay rates, retirement, insurance, days off, etc and leave the details for each mec to negotiate.

The point being is that you can make it so all these things are taken into account.
But, it won’t happen but not because of those reasons. It won’t happen because humans.