And there it is. The troll “123456” or whatever his handle was is back, and you guys are taking the bait.

 

I'm not talking about stapling the regionals to mainline seniority lists. Perhaps the ALPA regionals could have their own single seniority list as well. I think this will do a lot to make us streamlined and a larger presence. I kind of get giddy when I think about 40k pilots all together working side by side.

 

Fight the good fight and let us know how it works out for you. We will all wait in eager anticipation.

 

Not sure how you get giddy with 40,000 pilots working together.
You can't even get a thousand or two to agree on stuff..

 

“I was going to retire number 100 and now I’ll retire number 500. Total bull****. I lost 20,000 seniority numbers!”

 

All leverage would evaporate. No chance of self help. It’s almost like that already. Or do I get to go displace another captain flying similar equipment if I’m on strike? In the end someone is on strike or more than likely we’re just never getting released.

 

I never said anything about any airline being run by the government. That’s the worst idea ever. As for baseline contract, I am referring to cornerstone items but only as minimums. For example, for health insurance, maybe the minimum would be that the company pays at least 90% of the premiums and that at least one plan cannot be a high deductible plan. Things like that. But since each airline runs differently, scheduling details would be negotiated by each mec except maybe things like minimum days off, which would be part of the nationally negotiated contract. All the details about reserve rules, reassignment rules, etc would be left to the MEC.


Most of the objections I hear are like this one. That is that it doesn’t have to be that way. We don’t have to work for alpa to have n NSL. The union can simply be the entity that negotiates the list and maybe just some baseline contract items. But you would still be employees of the airline.

 

Understood. National airline was more for the original poster. Same with the work for Alpa. Although I’m starting to think he/she doesn’t even believe what thier typing. It’s hard enough to get to a 50% yes even with pretty good language. Throw in a NSL that most are not going to be happy with plus the implementation of that list no way we ever get a majority. In the end that’s really why it will never happen.

 

That’s right, it’s the details of how to build an NSL and the possible implications that will ever keep pilots from agreeing to it. Some say to just use DOH but then others say, what about military pilots? That’s just one example.

But it’s an interesting thought experiment nonetheless.

This another assumption that doesn’t have to be. Each airline can still negotiate their own agreement, incorporating the minimum baseline requirements of the National agreement. As for displacement, again, it can be stipulated that displacements are not allowed. That only if your airline is hiring, can the furloughed pilot be hired there, and only into the position that they require, etc etc etc. All those things can be ironed out. Maybe the best idea is just to have it for pay purposes as someone else mentioned. As for the disincentive to the hiring airline, it would have to be that an airline hiring would be required to hire a furloughed pilot until they are all retired or hired or something to that effect. Although it’s interesting that some regional airlines were already doing this. So I’m not sure how much of a deterrent it would be anyway.

 

Side by side? By then it will just be you and the Pit Bull.