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Old 05-06-2022, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer View Post
I completely get what y'all saying, but, everyone is dodging the question.....

WHY, WHY are 121 pilots....(at least those no longer on probation) accepting these flights, until this is closed and shut??? As one guy pointed out, this is not the first time this has happened in the DR.

The RLA does NOT apply here, despite what some people claim or allude to. The RLA's intent was preventing job actions related to contract negioations, not a situation such as this.

WHY AREN'T ALL 121 PILOTS REFUSING TO FLY THERE UNTIL THIS IS DONE WITH?

HELLO ALPA......WAKE THE F UP

GROW A F'ING PAIR
I wonder how that conversation would go with the chief pilot.

CP: You're refusing this flight?
You: Uh, yeah.
CP: You're sure?
You: Uh huh.
CP: Okay, well, I'm gonna need to see you in my office.
Reserve pilot: Sorry family, I have to go in today.

Nobody wants to be temporarily jailed, but depending on your contract, every additional day is $$$, maybe at 200%, plus per diem. Pretty significant credit.
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Old 05-06-2022, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Reagan would have got them home by now. One way or another.
You got that right. So would Trump.

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Little problem there... how do you know it's drugs and not something a wee bit more hazardous? Yeah I know, if you're in latin america it's going to be drugs but are you going to take the chance? It would also be hard to explain that you knowingly departed with unknown contraband onboard.

Maybe call in sick and catch the first flight back to CONUS?
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Absolutely. If you're going to fly a plane loaded with unknown but certainly illegal contraband back to the US, in contravention to all law, regulation, and common sense just to avoid inconveniencing the pax, we'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Your PIC authority doesn't extend quite as far as you think it does.
But yes, shockingly, that's exactly what they told us to do. And you notified them ahead of time and customs / DEA quarantined the jet and watched it to see who came for the drugs. Usually the drugs were hidden in obvious places, sometimes they weren't. But you sure as heck didn't say anything in Columbia or other places like it if you found them, because it's very likely the officials were in on it and you're gonna have a bad time.
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Old 05-06-2022, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
But yes, shockingly, that's exactly what they told us to do.
Who is "they"? Company? Eff 'em, not going to knowingly break a bunch of regs and laws for their convenience.

Also not comfortable flying a plane with unknown material in a place that's not intended for storage.
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Old 05-06-2022, 10:44 AM
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I think the embassies are gonna have a little more negotiating power than a union, but that's just me.
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Old 05-06-2022, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Who is "they"? Company? Eff 'em, not going to knowingly break a bunch of regs and laws for their convenience.

Also not comfortable flying a plane with unknown material in a place that's not intended for storage.
They: US Customs, FAA, DEA, US Marshals, Company.

This is pretty well known to anyone who has flown cargo between MIA and SA. I'm kind of surprised you've never heard this.

Beats the hell out of rotting in a foreign jail because the cops are paid off by the cartels and you stupidly blew the whistle on their turf. You just let the feds know you're inbound with stuff and you're clear.
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Old 05-06-2022, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
They: US Customs, FAA, DEA, US Marshals, Company.

This is pretty well known to anyone who has flown cargo between MIA and SA. I'm kind of surprised you've never heard this.

Beats the hell out of rotting in a foreign jail because the cops are paid off by the cartels and you stupidly blew the whistle on their turf. You just let the feds know you're inbound with stuff and you're clear.
any written reference to this? In any airline manual or government publication?
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Old 05-06-2022, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueScholar View Post
I think the embassies are gonna have a little more negotiating power than a union, but that's just me.
You havenít worked much with the US State Department I take it?
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Old 05-06-2022, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
You havenít worked much with the US State Department I take it?
Iím sorry, but you say that as if working with the US state dept is experience that everyone should have. Why on earth would the typical airline pilot have experience with the state dept?
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Old 05-06-2022, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt View Post
Iím sorry, but you say that as if working with the US state dept is experience that everyone should have. Why on earth would the typical airline pilot have experience with the state dept?

what you donít have any experience with the state department? How do you even become an airline pilot? I also have lots of experience with the department of homeland security.

bro do you even go inside embassies???

and Iím not talking about the Embassy suites on your layover
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Old 05-06-2022, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Halon1211 View Post
the same thing happened about 10-15 years back to a US based cargo airline flying the Shorts 330 or 360 into the DR.

both pilots were jailed for a long time. The company spent a lot of money to free them. I think they even had to get Congress to help them
I think I remember that. Air cargo carriers? If so, I have ALWAYS heard sketchy things about them. Doesnít surprise me.
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