Let Experienced Pilots Fly Act (Age 67)
07-26-2022, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
Why not tell ALPA to get off their collective asses and negotiate a mandatory pension for the pilots. ALPA wants one of them ( age 65 forced retirement ) but is to weak to demand a retirement pension plan. That would certainly help push more pilots out of your way for all you whinners out there.
07-26-2022, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Just to be clear you stagnated in that time frame but probably more due to the economic meltdown. Age 65 did not have a 5 year effect. At Delta it increased the average retirement age 2 years and 4 months. Half the pilots are gone by age 60 anyway.
As to the actual increase in average retirement between age 60 & 65 I would be very interested to see the actual data on that.
Assuming your numbers are correct, pre-age 65 let's say the average retirement age was 58 to account for those leaving early, so you're saying after the law changed it only rose to 60y4m average retirement age?
I find that hard to believe, especially considering how many CAs I have flown with who are 62-64. That being said I am an airline pilot not a math major.
07-26-2022, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by busdriver12
They will not focus on pensions until they can find a way to get a cut of it. If you had to pay them a percentage of your pension, I guarantee you they'd be advocating for it.
07-26-2022, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
I am strongly in favor of age 67. It means extra 240k tax free in my pocket, since I plan to bang out on LTD at 62.
Heck, one guy I flew with had to lay on his doctors table for a few minutes to make sure his blood pressure was within limits. Those days are done.
This will be a great way to retire a few years early with pay.
07-26-2022, 08:00 AM
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58 years old and has no idea how to fly a crosswind takeoff. Some excellent skill from this “experienced” pilot.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/investiga...141402801.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/investiga...141402801.html
07-26-2022, 08:40 AM
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Correct me if I’m wrong here, but if 67 passes these pilots will only be able to fly domestically correct? So all these wide body folks are going to need to be retrained on a narrow body, into a domestic division status?
As if the training bottle necks haven’t been bad enough. I can see why management at the legacies are against this.
As if the training bottle necks haven’t been bad enough. I can see why management at the legacies are against this.
07-26-2022, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by terks43
58 years old and has no idea how to fly a crosswind takeoff. Some excellent skill from this “experienced” pilot.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/investiga...141402801.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/investiga...141402801.html
58 year old experienced pilots shouldn’t be flying?
That seems like a heck of a leap. Experience mitigates risk and reduces mistakes, but it doesn’t eliminate them. One instance does not demonstrate a trend.
In this instance, at least they demonstrated good judgement to coordinate a RTB even before cabin reports of wing dents from passengers.
Cast the first stone, attribute it to age. Be sure to remove yourself from the pilot pool <58, as that appears meaningful to you.
07-26-2022, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
What exactly is the point you’re trying to make here?
58 year old experienced pilots shouldn’t be flying?
That seems like a heck of a leap. Experience mitigates risk and reduces mistakes, but it doesn’t eliminate them. One instance does not demonstrate a trend.
In this instance, at least they demonstrated good judgement to coordinate a RTB even before cabin reports of wing dents from passengers.
Cast the first stone, attribute it to age. Be sure to remove yourself from the pilot pool <58, as that appears meaningful to you.
58 year old experienced pilots shouldn’t be flying?
That seems like a heck of a leap. Experience mitigates risk and reduces mistakes, but it doesn’t eliminate them. One instance does not demonstrate a trend.
In this instance, at least they demonstrated good judgement to coordinate a RTB even before cabin reports of wing dents from passengers.
Cast the first stone, attribute it to age. Be sure to remove yourself from the pilot pool <58, as that appears meaningful to you.
07-26-2022, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I know you're trying to run a busted up 135 right now,
Originally Posted by CBreezy
but 2 years of piloting experiencing before flying jets really isn't too much to ask.
Originally Posted by CBreezy
Also, dad doesn't have to go into a nursing home. He can go to any number of private or charter operations where his skillset could be useful
Originally Posted by CBreezy
This is about guys within a few years of retirement conducting a money grab as they walk out the door.
07-26-2022, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Not sure where you are getting your intel from, but it is showing your ignorance.
History shows this not to be true.
If he can fly a plane, then he can fly a plane. Doesn't really matter what plane he is flying as long as he is proficient.
How is "working your job" a money grab? Wow... you union thugs will say anything to get your way. Talk about childish selfishness on display.
History shows this not to be true.
If he can fly a plane, then he can fly a plane. Doesn't really matter what plane he is flying as long as he is proficient.
How is "working your job" a money grab? Wow... you union thugs will say anything to get your way. Talk about childish selfishness on display.
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