Age 67 bill
01-06-2023, 07:31 AM
#101
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A hypothetical medical exam/fitness exam for surgeons would be quite different than ours.
Probably need to focus just on hand/eye coordination and cog.
Vision, hearing would matter little unless you're seriously blind (they use magnifying equipment for fine work any way).
Even risk for sudden incap wouldn't matter much, not like the whole OR is going to crash if the surgeon faints. They can just bring in another one to close it up. If it's something complex there will be more than one anyway.
I'm not sure you need any such exam for office practitioners, many or most specialties have to recertify anyway... if a doc is suffering from dementia, that should be apparent.
Probably need to focus just on hand/eye coordination and cog.
Vision, hearing would matter little unless you're seriously blind (they use magnifying equipment for fine work any way).
Even risk for sudden incap wouldn't matter much, not like the whole OR is going to crash if the surgeon faints. They can just bring in another one to close it up. If it's something complex there will be more than one anyway.
I'm not sure you need any such exam for office practitioners, many or most specialties have to recertify anyway... if a doc is suffering from dementia, that should be apparent.
01-06-2023, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Assuming you need a degree. And flight training only takes 6 months to a year max. Your quoted university program takes 100-200% longer
01-06-2023, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Swakid8
No University program is going to finish you 0 to hero in 6 months to year…….
01-06-2023, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
So let’s pretend I’m an airline CEO/CFO or even just a bean counter.
65-67 for the majority will be the most senior crew members with the highest pay and the most vacation days that cherry pick the lines with the lowest block aka the most expensive.
Why would I agree to this again?
65-67 for the majority will be the most senior crew members with the highest pay and the most vacation days that cherry pick the lines with the lowest block aka the most expensive.
Why would I agree to this again?
01-06-2023, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by tlove482
If the revenue from the flights that the 65-67 year old produces is more than the cost of his salary and benefits. This only applies if you can't cover the flight with another crew.
01-07-2023, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ElonMusk
Just make it tiered so someone doesn’t get an advantage of changing the rules once the game starts
Born before 2000 retire age 65
Born after 2000 retire age 67
Born after 2003 retire age 70
These old gummers wanting to pull up the ladder after they got in the treehouse…..
I could care less what the rules are as when I entered I knew them. Don’t change them up on me once again though.
Born before 2000 retire age 65
Born after 2000 retire age 67
Born after 2003 retire age 70
These old gummers wanting to pull up the ladder after they got in the treehouse…..
I could care less what the rules are as when I entered I knew them. Don’t change them up on me once again though.
01-07-2023, 03:48 AM
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I think for most pilots, the value in staying until age 67 is the chance to stay on LTD for an extra 2 years before you're forced to retire. Sure, there are probably some guys out there that flying is all they have, and they love to do it, but I think the majority at that age have no desire to continue the lifestyle.
When I look at the seniority lists for my airline's bases, many of the top guys in each aircraft/seat are on LTD. I'm sure it's like this at your shop, too. If they are unlikely to get their medical back, and already in their late 50s-early 60s, I myself would be tempted to ride it out while living on the generous LTD package. Then come 65 (or 67), and boom, get SS and Medicare. This may sound selfish to some, but those extra 2 years living off that LTD would be very nice to you, too. Although this is probably why airlines aren't supportive of Age 67, either.
When I look at the seniority lists for my airline's bases, many of the top guys in each aircraft/seat are on LTD. I'm sure it's like this at your shop, too. If they are unlikely to get their medical back, and already in their late 50s-early 60s, I myself would be tempted to ride it out while living on the generous LTD package. Then come 65 (or 67), and boom, get SS and Medicare. This may sound selfish to some, but those extra 2 years living off that LTD would be very nice to you, too. Although this is probably why airlines aren't supportive of Age 67, either.
01-07-2023, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PipeMan
I think for most pilots, the value in staying until age 67 is the chance to stay on LTD for an extra 2 years before you're forced to retire. Sure, there are probably some guys out there that flying is all they have, and they love to do it, but I think the majority at that age have no desire to continue the lifestyle.
When I look at the seniority lists for my airline's bases, many of the top guys in each aircraft/seat are on LTD. I'm sure it's like this at your shop, too. If they are unlikely to get their medical back, and already in their late 50s-early 60s, I myself would be tempted to ride it out while living on the generous LTD package. Then come 65 (or 67), and boom, get SS and Medicare. This may sound selfish to some, but those extra 2 years living off that LTD would be very nice to you, too. Although this is probably why airlines aren't supportive of Age 67, either.
When I look at the seniority lists for my airline's bases, many of the top guys in each aircraft/seat are on LTD. I'm sure it's like this at your shop, too. If they are unlikely to get their medical back, and already in their late 50s-early 60s, I myself would be tempted to ride it out while living on the generous LTD package. Then come 65 (or 67), and boom, get SS and Medicare. This may sound selfish to some, but those extra 2 years living off that LTD would be very nice to you, too. Although this is probably why airlines aren't supportive of Age 67, either.
Yes the airlines see it as a way to pay a lot of money to have a few guys work an extra two years, and a lot of guys not work an extra two years. They're probably right.
01-07-2023, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Boeingdude
There is no mandatory retirement age for surgeons, just saying.
Honestly don't know. Once they slip up and kill/maim a couple of patients, I imagine they become uninsurable and it works itself out for everyone. (except the patient(s))
Unlike airmen and their planes. Crash one airplane and everyone is like "OMG!!"
Insurance companies rule the world. I've no doubt most hospitals force the olds to retire by revoking various privileges, including insurance premiums.
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