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Old 03-07-2023, 08:19 AM
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https://apnews.com/article/consolida...1e2c8632b21d0b

The Attorney General is scheduled to hold a news conference today about this (Tuesday).
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Ultimately you do need an ULCC like Spirit out there keeping the prices in check. Just think, the big 3 only have a fare called “Basic Economy” because of pressure to compete with Spirit and the like. In a way this is a testament to how good of a job Spirit has done at keeping its competitors on their toes. So much so that the government now finds their existence necessary. I predict the DOJ is successful here. Just my .02
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When was the last time an airline merger was truly blocked?

The NWA/DAL merger in 2008 went this route, but after some assurances and horse trading, it went through anyway.

This is most likely just a negotiation.

Most "trust busting" in recent decades has usually just resulted in large fines, not actual company break ups or denial of mergers.
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When was the last time an airline merger was truly blocked?

The NWA/DAL merger in 2008 went this route, but after some assurances and horse trading, it went through anyway.

This is most likely just a negotiation.

Most "trust busting" in recent decades has usually just resulted in large fines, not actual company break ups or denial of mergers.
But just once in awhile they have to flex their muscle and make an example.
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If the combination were to make the number 1 or 2 largest carrier I could see the point. To make a DISTANT 5th largest GMAFB.

And spirit can make their business model whatever they want. They haven’t always been a ULCC. What if spirit decided to make themselves an all premium stand alone airline, would the DOJ and DOT see things differently to combine and make a larger low cost JetBlue?
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller View Post
If the combination were to make the number 1 or 2 largest carrier I could see the point. To make a DISTANT 5th largest GMAFB.

And spirit can make their business model whatever they want. They haven’t always been a ULCC. What if spirit decided to make themselves an all premium stand alone airline, would the DOJ and DOT see things differently to combine and make a larger low cost JetBlue?
Not to mention. There is still Frontier whose growth will accelerate and it leaves the door for at least one of Allegiant/Avelo/Breeze/Sun Country to fill that void.
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Not to mention. There is still Frontier whose growth will accelerate and it leaves the door for at least one of Allegiant/Avelo/Breeze/Sun Country to fill that void.
Frontiers growth is incapable of “accelerating”. There are massive constraints on both labor and airplane deliveries.
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Frontiers growth is incapable of “accelerating”. There are massive constraints on both labor and airplane deliveries.
True.

A serious problem for the “smaller” airlines in this climate.

But those are market forces at work, and NOT government regulation/constraints holding them
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller View Post
If the combination were to make the number 1 or 2 largest carrier I could see the point. To make a DISTANT 5th largest GMAFB.

And spirit can make their business model whatever they want. They haven’t always been a ULCC. What if spirit decided to make themselves an all premium stand alone airline, would the DOJ and DOT see things differently to combine and make a larger low cost JetBlue?
The Doj can do something about mergers proposals and break ups. But they have almost no power in the free market to compel companies to do anything else.
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Ultimately you do need an ULCC like Spirit out there keeping the prices in check. Just think, the big 3 only have a fare called “Basic Economy” because of pressure to compete with Spirit and the like. In a way this is a testament to how good of a job Spirit has done at keeping its competitors on their toes. So much so that the government now finds their existence necessary. I predict the DOJ is successful here. Just my .02
Ultimately you need a business that can remain competitive while turning a profit, which ain't Spirit in its current ULCC form.

Also the big 3 don't really compete with Spirit, yeah they offer basic economy but NK is not seen as competition or even a threat in any form. Most of NKs pax outside of Florida would not magically start flying basic economy on DL if the airline suddenly disappeared.

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