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US house panel votes in age [67]
06-17-2023 | 06:15 AM
#91
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Nothing in your argument applies to the present day. The dudes that had to go out at 60 are all long, long gone. The situation at the time sucked. I was balled up in it (took a couple of 100% pay cuts) and yet I’m not whining and crying about the need to work longer.
The retirement age has been 65 for SIXTEEN years. Now select individuals want to change the rules they’ve been operating under for the last SIXTEEN years to suit themselves, thereby hosing everyone else's seniority for another 2. Nope! Thanks for your service and enjoy your retirement.
The retirement age has been 65 for SIXTEEN years. Now select individuals want to change the rules they’ve been operating under for the last SIXTEEN years to suit themselves, thereby hosing everyone else's seniority for another 2. Nope! Thanks for your service and enjoy your retirement.
Wrong, I know several current individuals at my airline who lost everything at US Air and are working their tails off to recoup what they lost. I used the age 60 as an example of the horror those guys/gals faced. There are still active pilots who had many years in at USAir and have nothing to show for it. It was less than 20 years ago that this happened to them so your overall opinion lacks merit. Not to mention the decade post 2001 included concessionary contracts and a lot of furloughs for years at a time.
06-17-2023 | 06:32 AM
#92
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Wrong, I know several current individuals at my airline who lost everything at US Air and are working their tails off to recoup what they lost. I used the age 60 as an example of the horror those guys/gals faced. There are still active pilots who had many years in at USAir and have nothing to show for it. It was less than 20 years ago that this happened to them so your overall opinion lacks merit. Not to mention the decade post 2001 included concessionary contracts and a lot of furloughs for years at a time.
06-17-2023 | 06:55 AM
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400k is a big assumption on income. If you’re looking at the current environment then yes that annual amount rings true. 400k a few years ago and definitely during the early 2000’s wasn't the norm.
06-17-2023 | 07:11 AM
#94
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They didn’t spend ten years making captain pay. They were recalled to the jr FO seat or started over elsewhere. It’s ten years working their way up from the bottom again after being decimated.
06-17-2023 | 07:32 AM
#95
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Wrong, I know several current individuals at my airline who lost everything at US Air and are working their tails off to recoup what they lost. I used the age 60 as an example of the horror those guys/gals faced. There are still active pilots who had many years in at USAir and have nothing to show for it. It was less than 20 years ago that this happened to them so your overall opinion lacks merit. Not to mention the decade post 2001 included concessionary contracts and a lot of furloughs for years at a time.
Yeah airways people are probably worst case. Perma-FO, concessionary contract, and lost pension.
But I admit to having more sympathy for the extra five years back in 2007, than extra years today.
06-17-2023 | 01:44 PM
#96
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The retirement age has been 65 for SIXTEEN years. Now select individuals want to change the rules they’ve been operating under for the last SIXTEEN years to suit themselves, thereby hosing everyone else's seniority for another 2. Nope! Thanks for your service and enjoy your retirement.
This is being pushed by Senators and Congressmen for at least a couple of reasons:
1) the Social Security Trust Fund is forecast to be insolvent by 2034. Increasing retirement ages of workers will help keep it solvent.
2) there have been schedule disruptions over the last couple of years that have been either directly or indirectly blamed on a shortage of pilots.
There is no organized group of pilots pushing for age 67 so unless you have proof of a secret group of pilots pushing to increase retirement age, I would suggest you redirect your fire toward the people most responsible - Congress.
06-17-2023 | 02:55 PM
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The only organization that is trying to raise the retirement age is the RAA (Regional Airline Association). There is no organized effort among pilots to raise the retirement age.
This is being pushed by Senators and Congressmen for at least a couple of reasons:
1) the Social Security Trust Fund is forecast to be insolvent by 2034. Increasing retirement ages of workers will help keep it solvent.
2) there have been schedule disruptions over the last couple of years that have been either directly or indirectly blamed on a shortage of pilots.
There is no organized group of pilots pushing for age 67 so unless you have proof of a secret group of pilots pushing to increase retirement age, I would suggest you redirect your fire toward the people most responsible - Congress.
This is being pushed by Senators and Congressmen for at least a couple of reasons:
1) the Social Security Trust Fund is forecast to be insolvent by 2034. Increasing retirement ages of workers will help keep it solvent.
2) there have been schedule disruptions over the last couple of years that have been either directly or indirectly blamed on a shortage of pilots.
There is no organized group of pilots pushing for age 67 so unless you have proof of a secret group of pilots pushing to increase retirement age, I would suggest you redirect your fire toward the people most responsible - Congress.
06-17-2023 | 03:35 PM
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"Nehls (R-TX)supports the change because his brother, a Delta pilot, is also a member of the group Raise the Pilot Age, which says on its website, “We are in favor of an increase in the mandatory pilot retirement age and disagree with the positions that our unions have taken."
“my union speaks for me unless it doesn’t personally benefit me then I’ll circumvent their efforts by running to my congresscritter brother.”
Last edited by DarkSideMoon; 06-17-2023 at 03:46 PM.
06-17-2023 | 03:51 PM
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The only organization that is trying to raise the retirement age is the RAA (Regional Airline Association). There is no organized effort among pilots to raise the retirement age.
This is being pushed by Senators and Congressmen for at least a couple of reasons:
1) the Social Security Trust Fund is forecast to be insolvent by 2034. Increasing retirement ages of workers will help keep it solvent.
2) there have been schedule disruptions over the last couple of years that have been either directly or indirectly blamed on a shortage of pilots.
There is no organized group of pilots pushing for age 67 so unless you have proof of a secret group of pilots pushing to increase retirement age, I would suggest you redirect your fire toward the people most responsible - Congress.
This is being pushed by Senators and Congressmen for at least a couple of reasons:
1) the Social Security Trust Fund is forecast to be insolvent by 2034. Increasing retirement ages of workers will help keep it solvent.
2) there have been schedule disruptions over the last couple of years that have been either directly or indirectly blamed on a shortage of pilots.
There is no organized group of pilots pushing for age 67 so unless you have proof of a secret group of pilots pushing to increase retirement age, I would suggest you redirect your fire toward the people most responsible - Congress.
06-17-2023 | 03:54 PM
#100
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The only organization that is trying to raise the retirement age is the RAA (Regional Airline Association). There is no organized effort among pilots to raise the retirement age.
This is being pushed by Senators and Congressmen for at least a couple of reasons:
1) the Social Security Trust Fund is forecast to be insolvent by 2034. Increasing retirement ages of workers will help keep it solvent.
2) there have been schedule disruptions over the last couple of years that have been either directly or indirectly blamed on a shortage of pilots.
There is no organized group of pilots pushing for age 67 so unless you have proof of a secret group of pilots pushing to increase retirement age, I would suggest you redirect your fire toward the people most responsible - Congress.
This is being pushed by Senators and Congressmen for at least a couple of reasons:
1) the Social Security Trust Fund is forecast to be insolvent by 2034. Increasing retirement ages of workers will help keep it solvent.
2) there have been schedule disruptions over the last couple of years that have been either directly or indirectly blamed on a shortage of pilots.
There is no organized group of pilots pushing for age 67 so unless you have proof of a secret group of pilots pushing to increase retirement age, I would suggest you redirect your fire toward the people most responsible - Congress.
https://raisethepilotage.com/
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