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Old 06-15-2023 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
What are you blabbering about? I merely commented that Bernie Sanders being old doesn't disqualify him to represent constituents because he doesn't need the same skills as an airline pilot does. Calm down

He’s doesn’t have to sit for long periods of time, wear a cheap suit, answer basic questions and exert minimal levels of physical activity?

I’d wager the walk from the parking lot to the senate floor is about the same as a parking lot to the gate

Make a bad decision as a pilot and its like 200-400 people affected, population of just VT is 643,000
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Old 06-15-2023 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
What are you blabbering about? I merely commented that Bernie Sanders being old doesn't disqualify him to represent constituents because he doesn't need the same skills as an airline pilot does. Calm down
I am responding to this:
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The 81 year old senator isn't using hand-eye skills or needing to make split second life or death decisions. In fact, most of them have an Army of aides who do the vast majority of work. Now, if the CA just sat in the JS and had 3 FOs operate the aircraft, you may have an argument.
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Yeah, those Delta pilots who aborted in JFK sure weren't seconds away from a mass casualty event. Or those near misses on approach...they didn't need to make quick decisions. Nope. Pilots don't need to make critical decisions in very short periods of time. Might as well be sitting in a office looking at spreadsheets. It's the same mental difficulty.
You've leaned hard on implying that older pilots don't have the ability to do the job anymore. That's why we have check rides; to weed out those that can't do the job.
So are you now saying that older pilots ARE able to do the job? So why all of your whining?
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Old 06-15-2023 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I am responding to this:


And this:


You've leaned hard on implying that older pilots don't have the ability to do the job anymore. That's why we have check rides; to weed out those that can't do the job.
So are you now saying that older pilots ARE able to do the job? So why all of your whining?
No. I don't think 85 year old pilots should be flying airplanes or even driving cars really.
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Old 06-15-2023 | 08:44 PM
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The problem for some pilots (such as myself) is at 63 I can bid for a widebody captain seat and get awarded and paid for it without flying it if the company chooses not to train me.
I prefer the narrowbody schedule and qol. Was planning to bid up without flying it, but that will be off the table. Sure as shinola don't want to go to 67.
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Old 06-16-2023 | 07:55 AM
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/15/busin...=1686912450787

Lawmakers wrangle over measures to address pilot shortage


Lot of "discussion" over the pilot shortage and changing the ATP rule and raising retirement age to 67.
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Old 06-16-2023 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
No. I don't think 85 year old pilots should be flying airplanes or even driving cars really.
Hmmm. You like continually moving the goalposts. The topic is 67, not 85.
What age should someone no longer be allowed to hold a job as a professional pilot? What age should the car keys be taken away?
And I'm still waiting with bated breath for you to tell us about the last time you had to make a split second life or death decision as a pilot.

You are wasting your time here railing against an age change. The vast majority of readers agree with you that it should stay at 65. But this is an echo chamber where the people that matter are not hearing your opinion.
Spend your time mobilizing a bunch of pilots to do an email/letter writing campaign to all of the Senate and Congress.
I'm sure you'll get a sympathetic ear from many of the Septuagenarian and Octogenarian elected officials. /s
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Old 06-16-2023 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DownWithNarita
First it was, "it will never even be talked about"
Then it was, "won't make it out of committee"
Then it was, "won't pass the house"
We're now at, "it won't pass the Senate"
What is next? "Biden ain't signing it"
Biden will sign it, since most everything else in the bill will matter to a lot of other people.

1. He doesn't hate age 67 badly enough to veto a bill passed by a Dem-controlled senate.
2. He doesn't really care to back up Mayor Pete who could hypothetically at any time resign and run in 2024.
3. Worst of all, he can't make a big public production of vetoing a bill which contains a lot of other stuff, just because it lets old people continue to work... when he's about to run for office at age 80-ish In politics that called Bad Optics
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Old 06-16-2023 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Hmmm. You like continually moving the goalposts. The topic is 67, not 85.
What age should someone no longer be allowed to hold a job as a professional pilot? What age should the car keys be taken away?
And I'm still waiting with bated breath for you to tell us about the last time you had to make a split second life or death decision as a pilot.

You are wasting your time here railing against an age change. The vast majority of readers agree with you that it should stay at 65. But this is an echo chamber where the people that matter are not hearing your opinion.
Spend your time mobilizing a bunch of pilots to do an email/letter writing campaign to all of the Senate and Congress.
I'm sure you'll get a sympathetic ear from many of the Septuagenarian and Octogenarian elected officials. /s
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I was responding to your comment that it's hypocritical of a 81 year old senator to oppose a pilot age limit. That's all. You are the one building strawmen.
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Old 06-16-2023 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I was responding to your comment that it's hypocritical of a 81 year old senator to oppose a pilot age limit. That's all. You are the one building strawmen.
No, you weren't merely responding to my comment. You built the strawmen:

"The 81 year old senator isn't using hand-eye skills or needing to make split second life or death decisions"

and


Originally Posted by CBreezy
Yeah, those Delta pilots who aborted in JFK sure weren't seconds away from a mass casualty event. Or those near misses on approach...they didn't need to make quick decisions. Nope. Pilots don't need to make critical decisions in very short periods of time. Might as well be sitting in a office looking at spreadsheets. It's the same mental difficulty.
How about the last time you made a split second life or death decision as a pilot? Still waiting...
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Old 06-16-2023 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
No, you weren't merely responding to my comment. You built the strawmen:

"The 81 year old senator isn't using hand-eye skills or needing to make split second life or death decisions"

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How about the last time you made a split second life or death decision as a pilot? Still waiting...
That isn't a strawman. You need to brush up on logical fallacies.

And I've dealt with my share of emergencies where a poor or delayed decision would have resulted in poor outcomes.
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