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US house panel votes in age [67]
07-20-2023 | 08:44 PM
#491
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How do you do that legally? It wouldn't hold up to any legal challenge.
The FAA, in defense of the regionals and bottom feeders, has long held that all 121 operators are held to a common standard. They can't exactly set a lower standard based on the economic situation. Not that it would hold up in court anyway.
The FAA, in defense of the regionals and bottom feeders, has long held that all 121 operators are held to a common standard. They can't exactly set a lower standard based on the economic situation. Not that it would hold up in court anyway.
pretty sure regionals pretty much only fly to US/Canada/Mexico. (Add Mexico to the above if they also don’t have a retirement age like Canada). other than allegiant, this would pretty much separate regionals from majors without explicitly creating a different rule for them. Also would solve the issue of pilots over 65 flying for international carriers like UA, AA and DL.
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07-21-2023 | 05:06 AM
#492
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Started in 1990. Same wife since 1998. Always had a job, but didn't make 6 figures till 2016. No, not a problem child, never failed a check ride, got hired after pretty much every interview I managed to get. 10 years to go. I waited for another 5, you can wait for another 2.
07-21-2023 | 05:26 AM
#493
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If the airline is engaged in part 121 operations outside the US and Canada, the lower of age 67 or the ICAO mandatory retirements age shall be considered the mandatory retirement age for any pilot at that airline. If the airline operates solely within the United States and Canada, a pilot may serve until they turn 67
pretty sure regionals pretty much only fly to US/Canada/Mexico. (Add Mexico to the above if they also don’t have a retirement age like Canada). other than allegiant, this would pretty much separate regionals from majors without explicitly creating a different rule for them. Also would solve the issue of pilots over 65 flying for international carriers like UA, AA and DL.
pretty sure regionals pretty much only fly to US/Canada/Mexico. (Add Mexico to the above if they also don’t have a retirement age like Canada). other than allegiant, this would pretty much separate regionals from majors without explicitly creating a different rule for them. Also would solve the issue of pilots over 65 flying for international carriers like UA, AA and DL.
The current language in the bill does not address how airlines are to handle pilots who are too old for international ops and that's a can of worms anyway. Congress really needs to get the airlines some guardrails on that.
07-21-2023 | 05:33 AM
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Started in 1990. Same wife since 1998. Always had a job, but didn't make 6 figures till 2016. No, not a problem child, never failed a check ride, got hired after pretty much every interview I managed to get. 10 years to go. I waited for another 5, you can wait for another 2.
With 20/20 hindsight, I could have chased every ACMI and 3rd tier startup to climb the ladder faster, but that wasn't conducive to family life.
07-21-2023 | 05:58 AM
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Started in 1990. Same wife since 1998. Always had a job, but didn't make 6 figures till 2016. No, not a problem child, never failed a check ride, got hired after pretty much every interview I managed to get. 10 years to go. I waited for another 5, you can wait for another 2.
07-21-2023 | 06:00 AM
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WHOA! You never stated 118th Congress. You stated that Nehls first introduced it in Congress.
Everyone familiar with this issue should know that it was first introduced in the 117th Congress. And hopefully most people know that unpassed bills die at the end of each Congress. The bills I referenced died at the end of the 117th Congress.
It is typical for bills that die in one session of Congress to be reintroduced in the next session. You seem to be suggesting that Nehls is the 'mastermind' of this legislation. I spent more than a couple of minutes posting the origin of this change.If you have proof to the contrary, post it rather than making baseless accusations.
Everyone familiar with this issue should know that it was first introduced in the 117th Congress. And hopefully most people know that unpassed bills die at the end of each Congress. The bills I referenced died at the end of the 117th Congress.
It is typical for bills that die in one session of Congress to be reintroduced in the next session. You seem to be suggesting that Nehls is the 'mastermind' of this legislation. I spent more than a couple of minutes posting the origin of this change.If you have proof to the contrary, post it rather than making baseless accusations.
There’s nothing baseless to my accusations: Nehl proposed age 67 in committee which is the first attempt to do so in this congress.
07-21-2023 | 06:07 AM
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Perhaps but how many of those members had a possible conflict of interest with a family member nearing retirement? He’s not very smart - if there were so many other committee members chomping at the bit to propose this, then why not let them and avoid the accusations of cronyism?
07-21-2023 | 06:14 AM
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You could probably do that if it's distinct by fleet, not airline and maybe set a threshold like 90% domestic, to prevent airlines from operating one flight annually on Jan 1st between SAN and TIJ as a pretext to get rid of all 65+.
The current language in the bill does not address how airlines are to handle pilots who are too old for international ops and that's a can of worms anyway. Congress really needs to get the airlines some guardrails on that.
The current language in the bill does not address how airlines are to handle pilots who are too old for international ops and that's a can of worms anyway. Congress really needs to get the airlines some guardrails on that.
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07-21-2023 | 06:54 AM
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You need to educate yourself on airline history. Your youth and immaturity is showing. My first regional airline job was in 1990. Didn’t start making decent 💸💸 until hired at a legacy in 2013, and first year pay was not what it is today. Six figures started in year 2.
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07-21-2023 | 07:00 AM
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You need to educate yourself on airline history. Your youth and immaturity is showing. My first regional airline job was in 1990. Didn’t start making decent 💸💸 until hired at a legacy in 2013, and first year pay was not what it is today. Six figures started in year 2.
I am a history major so counting/math isn’t my strong suit.
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