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US house panel votes in age [67]
07-20-2023 | 11:17 AM
#472
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Unbelievable. Greedy ****ing *******s. You already got an extra 5 years at my expense. Now you want another 2 years. Every time the retirement age is raised, the seniority list is virtually frozen for 2 years. You get your extra 2 years at whatever seat and seniority you are currently in. 67 year olds should not be flying airplanes. This nonsense has gone on long enough.
Don’t kid yourself. There are widebody captains with no life pushing to not retire. Greedy ****s.
Don’t kid yourself. There are widebody captains with no life pushing to not retire. Greedy ****s.
Go ahead and retire. Wouldn’t you make more playing for the Red Wings or Penguins anyways. A career change may save you from a heart attack or stroke as evidenced by angry rant above. We care about your health here at APC you do believe that don’t you.
07-20-2023 | 11:48 AM
#473
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If one is going to dispute rumors (or support rumors) one must go to the SOURCE. Here is the unequivocal SOURCE. Let’s put the “ALPA is lying” conspiracy theories to rest.
NEHLS AMENDMENT
Read **PAGE 7** above. How this is going down is that **NEHLS** offered an amendment to HR 3935, the FAA Reauthorization Bill. That is TRUE.
The standalone bills in the House and Senate are basically intended to smokescreen the process and to promote the PR campaign (Graham’s press conference, etc). They don’t have a chance. Clearly, it is MUCH more simple to tack something like this on to a more important bill of massive proportion than to pass it in both houses and have it signed by Biden as a standalone.
Now, it just so happens that there is a very senior Delta pilot with the same last name who lives just outside Houston, in the same town in which Congressman Nehls lives, which is in the same county where Nehls was formerly the sheriff. That is also TRUE. Coincidence? I’m certainly not going to post personal information here; you can source that for yourselves.
NEHLS AMENDMENT
Read **PAGE 7** above. How this is going down is that **NEHLS** offered an amendment to HR 3935, the FAA Reauthorization Bill. That is TRUE.
The standalone bills in the House and Senate are basically intended to smokescreen the process and to promote the PR campaign (Graham’s press conference, etc). They don’t have a chance. Clearly, it is MUCH more simple to tack something like this on to a more important bill of massive proportion than to pass it in both houses and have it signed by Biden as a standalone.
Now, it just so happens that there is a very senior Delta pilot with the same last name who lives just outside Houston, in the same town in which Congressman Nehls lives, which is in the same county where Nehls was formerly the sheriff. That is also TRUE. Coincidence? I’m certainly not going to post personal information here; you can source that for yourselves.
07-20-2023 | 12:08 PM
#474
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From: guppy CA
If one is going to dispute rumors (or support rumors) one must go to the SOURCE. Here is the unequivocal SOURCE. Let’s put the “ALPA is lying” conspiracy theories to rest.
NEHLS AMENDMENT
Read **PAGE 7** above. How this is going down is that **NEHLS** offered an amendment to HR 3935, the FAA Reauthorization Bill. That is TRUE.
The standalone bills in the House and Senate are basically intended to smokescreen the process and to promote the PR campaign (Graham’s press conference, etc). They don’t have a chance. Clearly, it is MUCH more simple to tack something like this on to a more important bill of massive proportion than to pass it in both houses and have it signed by Biden as a standalone.
Now, it just so happens that there is a very senior Delta pilot with the same last name who lives just outside Houston, in the same town in which Congressman Nehls lives, which is in the same county where Nehls was formerly the sheriff. That is also TRUE. Coincidence? I’m certainly not going to post personal information here; you can source that for yourselves.
NEHLS AMENDMENT
Read **PAGE 7** above. How this is going down is that **NEHLS** offered an amendment to HR 3935, the FAA Reauthorization Bill. That is TRUE.
The standalone bills in the House and Senate are basically intended to smokescreen the process and to promote the PR campaign (Graham’s press conference, etc). They don’t have a chance. Clearly, it is MUCH more simple to tack something like this on to a more important bill of massive proportion than to pass it in both houses and have it signed by Biden as a standalone.
Now, it just so happens that there is a very senior Delta pilot with the same last name who lives just outside Houston, in the same town in which Congressman Nehls lives, which is in the same county where Nehls was formerly the sheriff. That is also TRUE. Coincidence? I’m certainly not going to post personal information here; you can source that for yourselves.
As for tacking a bill on a larger bill as an amendment, that's pretty standard operating procedure in DC. It may be considered nefarious, but that's how the sausage is made in DC.
Do you have a quote from ALPA saying that Nehls did this because his brother is a WB CA? I haven't seen any statements from ALPA, just statements from individuals who oppose the change, attributing the origin of this to Nehls.
Pointed question for you to answer: Are you stating that Nehls is the origin of this proposed age change? Simple yes or no.
07-20-2023 | 12:25 PM
#475
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Again, that amendment's origin dates back to the 117th Congress.
As for tacking a bill on a larger bill as an amendment, that's pretty standard operating procedure in DC. It may be considered nefarious, but that's how the sausage is made in DC.
Do you have a quote from ALPA saying that Nehls did this because his brother is a WB CA? I haven't seen any statements from ALPA, just statements from individuals who oppose the change, attributing the origin of this to Nehls.
Pointed question for you to answer: Are you stating that Nehls is the origin of this proposed age change? Simple yes or no.
As for tacking a bill on a larger bill as an amendment, that's pretty standard operating procedure in DC. It may be considered nefarious, but that's how the sausage is made in DC.
Do you have a quote from ALPA saying that Nehls did this because his brother is a WB CA? I haven't seen any statements from ALPA, just statements from individuals who oppose the change, attributing the origin of this to Nehls.
Pointed question for you to answer: Are you stating that Nehls is the origin of this proposed age change? Simple yes or no.
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/20/u...-congress.html
07-20-2023 | 12:42 PM
#476
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From: guppy CA
“Congress is also at odds over raising the mandatory pilot retirement age from 65 to 67, a change sought by Representative Troy Nehls, Republican of Texas, whose brother is an airline pilot about to turn 65, and championed by Speaker Kevin McCarthy. The offices of Mr. Nehls and Mr. McCarthy did not respond to requests for comment.”
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/20/u...-congress.html
The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/20/u...-congress.html
07-20-2023 | 12:46 PM
#477
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I wasn’t concerned with any specific congress; just what’s been coming to a head the last few months. I’m sure the idea for 65++ has been in people’s heads since the day 65 passed in ‘07.
Agree; no dispute. But you generally get more hype for an idea with a standalone bill with a fancy name while amendments tend to get buried in committee briefs.
Ambrosi’s update of 17 July alluded to it.
It’s absolutely not politically driven, if that’s what you are asking. Just by people who can’t give it up. Hoot Gibson would be flying at SWA to this day if he still could.
As for tacking a bill on a larger bill as an amendment, that's pretty standard operating procedure in DC. It may be considered nefarious, but that's how the sausage is made in DC.
Do you have a quote from ALPA saying that Nehls did this because his brother is a WB CA? I haven't seen any statements from ALPA, just statements from individuals who oppose the change, attributing the origin of this to Nehls.
Pointed question for you to answer: Are you stating that Nehls is the origin of this proposed age change? Simple yes or no.
07-20-2023 | 01:03 PM
#478
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From: guppy CA
I wasn’t concerned with any specific congress; just what’s been coming to a head the last few months. I’m sure the idea for 65++ has been in people’s heads since the day 65 passed in ‘07.
Agree; no dispute. But you generally get more hype for an idea with a standalone bill with a fancy name while amendments tend to get buried in committee briefs.
Ambrosi’s update of 17 July alluded to it.
It’s absolutely not politically driven, if that’s what you are asking. Just by people who can’t give it up. Hoot Gibson would be flying at SWA to this day if he still could.
Agree; no dispute. But you generally get more hype for an idea with a standalone bill with a fancy name while amendments tend to get buried in committee briefs.
Ambrosi’s update of 17 July alluded to it.
It’s absolutely not politically driven, if that’s what you are asking. Just by people who can’t give it up. Hoot Gibson would be flying at SWA to this day if he still could.
The proposal, which is being pushed by a lawmaker whose goal appears to be granting favor to a family member, risks the U.S. airline industry economic recovery that you and other ALPA members worked so hard to achieve.
I would call that a major faux pas. Nehls is on the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. That statement likely got back to Nehls through his brother since his brother received that blast email.
Making an enemy on an important committee that your industry relies on doesn't seem very intelligent.
All of those amendments that you listed above (labeled NEHLS AMENDMENT by you) were by members of the T&I Committee. That's the process. Committee members propose amendments. Ambrosi knows that, or should know that. I can't believe that was allowed to be sent out with that statement. Unbelievable.
07-20-2023 | 01:12 PM
#479
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All of those amendments that you listed above (labeled NEHLS AMENDMENT by you) were by members of the T&I Committee. That's the process. Committee members propose amendments. Ambrosi knows that, or should know that. I can't believe that was allowed to be sent out with that statement. Unbelievable.
He’s certainly been running a victory lap over what he himself is referring to as “his” amendment; see for yourself.
http://nehls.house.gov/media/press-r...retirement-age
07-20-2023 | 01:20 PM
#480
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From: guppy CA
I wasn’t referring to the entire laundry list of amendments to the bill, just this one in particular, which was proposed by Nehls.
He’s certainly been running a victory lap over “his” amendment; again, see for yourself.
http://nehls.house.gov/media/press-r...retirement-age
He’s certainly been running a victory lap over “his” amendment; again, see for yourself.
http://nehls.house.gov/media/press-r...retirement-age
I think you'll find the same on every Rep's page for amendments that were added. Pretty standard DC stuff.
For what it's worth, had Nehls not added it as an amendment, there would have been several others on the T&I Committee who would have done so.
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