The pilot shortage is over:
#81
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I'm old enough to have experienced the lost decade from the very bottom of it. It stunk. But my rational comes from the fact I have no one in my family tree that has made it more than a frew years past 65. I want to make sure I have time off to enjoy this fine income before it's too late for me.
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Great way to budget! Back when rona started, I remember flying with guys who were freaking out because they "had" to make 85 hours/month as a WB B to maintain their budget. I hoped I'd never end up in that situation. I upgraded for the same reason as you...less days for the same/more pay, plus spending more time in my own bed. I also like being able to drop reserve days below the min days on, which I could never do on the WB. Severely reduces usage and SC's.
Up until recently when staffing went to crap, I used to drop my entire schedule every month I bid a line. The negative day thing still kind of works but my luck hasn't been great on that lately.
I'm old enough to have experienced the lost decade from the very bottom of it. It stunk. But my rational comes from the fact I have no one in my family tree that has made it more than a frew years past 65. I want to make sure I have time off to enjoy this fine income before it's too late for me.
Even if you do expect to live well past 65, your plan isn't a terrible one. Once we hit 65, many of us will not have the energy or the will to do some of these things like we did at a younger age. Not to mention, more of our lives will be spent on Dr visits. Unfortunately, many save and save to enjoy their "golden years," only to pass away early in those years. A few unfortunate events I've experienced in the last few years, coupled with reading stuff like Die with Zero, has changed my views on how I live my life.
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Great way to budget! Back when rona started, I remember flying with guys who were freaking out because they "had" to make 85 hours/month as a WB B to maintain their budget. I hoped I'd never end up in that situation. I upgraded for the same reason as you...less days for the same/more pay, plus spending more time in my own bed. I also like being able to drop reserve days below the min days on, which I could never do on the WB. Severely .
Due to two years of "hearing thunder in the distance" I was able to get qualified for almost 3x what I'm actually buying.
The owner of Trident Mortgage (highly recommend them by the way. Super awesome to work with and they understand how our pay works) and I talked, and basically agreed that I'd probably end up in the range I bought even though I wss pre-approved for way more based on last two years of W2s.
While I could buy something way bigger, I wanted to live comfortably on 72 hours a month while putting 10% in retirement. But if some insanity house where I could move parents into an inlaw suite popped, we were good to go on that.
House in VA was bought so I could survive on O3 pay if another involuntary mobilization happened.
I have more money as a "do ALV and go home" Captain than a fairly contract savvy hustling FO.
And if the greenies roll? Well that's how I maxed out every retirement account, paid off my camper, and put 23k in the MBCBP
#84
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Part of this is from working through the lost decade, some of us feel like frugal grandparents who lived through the Great Depression. I'll go down in hours if the pay goes down again, or when I've made enough to leave the job. There is a mentality about leaving money on the table that's hard to break.
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Talk is cheap when you're younger. Financially secure people typically get their by making long term, wise, financial decisions.
I loved the guy raging against AA 15+ years ago. In was like the movie 'Network' - "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore." He took earlier retirement as a Captain...to go to a 'backup plan' at 50+ (55+?). In 3-4 years of school (at 50-55!) and OJT he'd be making $100,000. Lost income? It would take him a decade to try and match the same career earnings he walked away from...working 40 hrs a week. Whoa, go back to FO and fly minimum time. Hold the best trips and drop a bunch of them. Much easier than pharmacist school. Fast forward he retires. Two weeks later I'm having lunch with my best friend in DFW and a friend of his is there also. We sit togehter. Never met the guy before. He gets a phone call and excuses himself. Comes back "buddy just quit/retired. That was his wife. Two weeks into retirement and it's hitting home....'we're afraid we don't have enough money.' I tried to get him to calm down but he wouldn't listen."
The high drama individuals was my first thought when I heard about the Boeing 'whistleblower.' They get on their horse and every windmill is the enemy.
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I'm old enough to have experienced the lost decade from the very bottom of it. It stunk. But my rational comes from the fact I have no one in my family tree that has made it more than a frew years past 65. I want to make sure I have time off to enjoy this fine income before it's too late for me.
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Best friend worked average line hours, or occasionaly less. I always hustled. Max'd out 401K for 32 years. He didn't. My net worth is maybe 33%-50% higher? Lots more options with that much greater net worth.
Different strokes for different folks.
Different strokes for different folks.
#88
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#1 Captain in the bid status back in 1991/1992. Retiring a year early at 59. Costing him $100,000 back then. $220K today. "Every male in my family, grandparents, father, uncles, cousins, has had a life altering heart attack at 62-65. I'm in better health but I might only have 3-6 healthy years ahead of me. I'm done."
That doesn't mean I have to work every hour possilbe until I get there. I'm set to have a pretty good retirement by most people's standards without having to do that. My yatch at age 67 may be smaller than yours at age 67, but how many people can say that even have a small yatch?
Having said that, I'm quite glad there are pilots out there that feel the need to pick up every last bit of flying. I don't intend to talk you out of it. Makes what I want to do easier.
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I don't see myself retiring early. I really enjoy my job and if I still feel this way and am healthy enough, I'll continue doing it until I'm forced to retire.
That doesn't mean I have to work every hour possilbe until I get there. I'm set to have a pretty good retirement by most people's standards without having to do that. My yatch at age 67 may be smaller than yours at age 67, but how many people can say that even have a small yatch?
Having said that, I'm quite glad there are pilots out there that feel the need to pick up every last bit of flying. I don't intend to talk you out of it. Makes what I want to do easier.
That doesn't mean I have to work every hour possilbe until I get there. I'm set to have a pretty good retirement by most people's standards without having to do that. My yatch at age 67 may be smaller than yours at age 67, but how many people can say that even have a small yatch?
Having said that, I'm quite glad there are pilots out there that feel the need to pick up every last bit of flying. I don't intend to talk you out of it. Makes what I want to do easier.
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