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Old 12-08-2008 | 09:42 PM
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Through my own scientific poll of 209 pilots, 71% are in favor of this. It has a margin of error of 4% which would still put us a 67%. Sorry, but we are getting a union no matter what you say.
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Old 12-09-2008 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by WaterBoarder
So where does it say in your Union 'information' what the new pay rate is going to be, when it will take effect and what we will give up in order to get it?
We don't know the future so we don't know the full extent of a union's possibilities.

We do know the present under the "current arrangement" and know that pay is not being addressed!

This is indicative of a failed system requiring change!

What is your solution?
Inaction?

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Old 12-09-2008 | 02:44 PM
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Depends on where you are on the list. If you're near the bottom, don't forget you can kiss the no-furlough clause goodbye with new contract. This is just one example. A union would ruin jetblue, and it would go downhill fast. Jetblu is a melting pot of pilots who were scr-wed by their companies/unions. Hope they have learned from the past. What a bad time to be pushing for a union. I'm feeling uneasy that my current contract may be void soon...
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Old 12-09-2008 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tone
None of us know what will be negotiated. That's the problem with the union...

Negotiations are more then you're getting now.
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Old 12-09-2008 | 06:20 PM
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Ya know I read an email not that long ago from DB. Here is a quote...

"Some Crewmembers may face this decision at some point in their careers at JetBlue. By design, we are the only major airline to be completely non-union. When we designed JetBlue from a clean sheet of paper 10+ years ago, we brought our experience at other airlines to the table and one of the first decisions we made about our culture was to make sure every Crewmember had their own voice. Most of us who came from other airlines believe that a union environment is bureaucratic, and greatly diminishes the ability to move quickly on things ranging from market opportunities to compensation adjustments."

I like the part at the end that says a union "greatly diminishes the ablility to move quickly ranging from market opportunities to compensation adjustments."

How quickly did JB move on making us the lowest paid pilots in the industry? Yeah we all got raises after the pcrb, either 1% or none for some of us. This is THE reason we WILL have a union, because they did not move quickly to take care of us. I read these quotes and its hard to sit there and not vomit in my mouth.
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Old 12-09-2008 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr
When we designed JetBlue from a clean sheet of paper 10+ years ago, we brought our experience at other airlines to the table and one of the first decisions we made about our culture was to make sure every Crewmember had their own voice.
Did you guys know the F/A crewmember position was designed to be a 2 year job?

---just some useless trivia.
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Old 12-09-2008 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Negotiations are more then you're getting now.
1. bad english
2. this statement makes no sense
3. typical union supporter's mental capability
4. what?
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Old 12-09-2008 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tone
Depends on where you are on the list. If you're near the bottom, don't forget you can kiss the no-furlough clause goodbye with new contract. This is just one example. A union would ruin jetblue, and it would go downhill fast. Jetblu is a melting pot of pilots who were scr-wed by their companies/unions. Hope they have learned from the past. What a bad time to be pushing for a union. I'm feeling uneasy that my current contract may be void soon...
At least the complaining about pay will stop after the furloughed guys will take the 100% paycut.
The super senior guys love you ignorants, go get their bid divisor up.
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Old 12-10-2008 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by WaterBoarder
Looks like there is hope for the JetBlue Pilot group.
Not everyone has fallen for the Union fantasy world.

Any of you dreamers care to respond to the questions
posted in the Band of Blue email?

Probably not, since that would require thinking.
So much harder than complaining...
Care to actually produce a post explaining why your pilot group would be better off without union representation? All you have done is criticize the posts of your fellow pilots with snarky comments.
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Old 12-10-2008 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dude Abides
Care to actually produce a post explaining why your pilot group would be better off without union representation? All you have done is criticize the posts of your fellow pilots with snarky comments.
I dont think we should respond to water any more. This moron knows we are the lowest paid in the industry and has no pride in his profession. Water should go work at walmart as a greeter if he is happy with substandard wages.

You watch, the minute he gets fired the first person he will run to crying for help is the very union he does not want.
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