DAL NORTH AUGUST APA is Out.
04-21-2009 | 11:33 AM
#41
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Heyas ACL,
Dunno if that was TiC or not, but KW is an tremendous asset to any pilot group. If I had to sit and tally up the amount of money and grief that he's saved NWA pilots over the years, I wouldn't have time to type this.
Sure, he has his spin on things, but when it comes time to protecting pilots, you simply cannot find anyone better.
Nu
Dunno if that was TiC or not, but KW is an tremendous asset to any pilot group. If I had to sit and tally up the amount of money and grief that he's saved NWA pilots over the years, I wouldn't have time to type this.
Sure, he has his spin on things, but when it comes time to protecting pilots, you simply cannot find anyone better.
Nu
early 08 dood 
04-21-2009 | 12:35 PM
#44
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From: 737 Capt
Super & all other N-DAL'ers,
If what NWA320 is saying is true, and you have to bid the highest paying position you can hold to be pay protected, don't forget that the highest paying position that many of you can hold is 747-200 s/o.
S/O pay is higher than all categories up to the 767 ER. As of 1/1/09...
747 S/O..............$118.13 per hour
767 F/O ER .........$114.73 per hour
(Yes, 747 s/o's make more than 767/757 F/O's. It's been that way for a long time on the NWA side, but those days are coming to an end.)
I know the position is going away, but if it is still biddable if and when you get bumped, I would hate to see you lose pay protection over an oversite like that.
You would think the union would post some warnings for us in these turbulent times. Like maybe an AE strategy guide instead of 7 emails to tell me when my $10 bonus is going to be paid out.
New K Now
If what NWA320 is saying is true, and you have to bid the highest paying position you can hold to be pay protected, don't forget that the highest paying position that many of you can hold is 747-200 s/o.
S/O pay is higher than all categories up to the 767 ER. As of 1/1/09...
747 S/O..............$118.13 per hour
767 F/O ER .........$114.73 per hour
(Yes, 747 s/o's make more than 767/757 F/O's. It's been that way for a long time on the NWA side, but those days are coming to an end.)
I know the position is going away, but if it is still biddable if and when you get bumped, I would hate to see you lose pay protection over an oversite like that.
You would think the union would post some warnings for us in these turbulent times. Like maybe an AE strategy guide instead of 7 emails to tell me when my $10 bonus is going to be paid out.
New K Now
So if you are a 757 FO (and this is the highest category you can hold) and get bumped out but elect to go to the -9 instead of the bus (OK I know you either flunked bidding or are crazy but) you will get the difference between 757 and bus pay added to you -9 rate.
But for someone like me who is a 744 FO (but can hold -9 CA) and elects to be displaced to the 757 or 330 I get nothing. Because I could have actually displaced to a higher paying position than what I currently hold its "no soup for me"
04-21-2009 | 01:14 PM
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All of this is very confusing to say the least..... I wasn't very clear before I don't think. The contract pay protects you between your current position and the highest payong position you can hold.
So if you are a 757 FO (and this is the highest category you can hold) and get bumped out but elect to go to the -9 instead of the bus (OK I know you either flunked bidding or are crazy but) you will get the difference between 757 and bus pay added to you -9 rate.
But for someone like me who is a 744 FO (but can hold -9 CA) and elects to be displaced to the 757 or 330 I get nothing. Because I could have actually displaced to a higher paying position than what I currently hold its "no soup for me"
So if you are a 757 FO (and this is the highest category you can hold) and get bumped out but elect to go to the -9 instead of the bus (OK I know you either flunked bidding or are crazy but) you will get the difference between 757 and bus pay added to you -9 rate.
But for someone like me who is a 744 FO (but can hold -9 CA) and elects to be displaced to the 757 or 330 I get nothing. Because I could have actually displaced to a higher paying position than what I currently hold its "no soup for me"
Correct, and almost everyone can hold ER B in NYC so at best it is a difference in pay. In effect it is going to be very hard to get this.
04-21-2009 | 02:07 PM
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From: Left, left, left right left....
As far as the when they apply the position for pay purposes, is it the date of the AE results or when the first pilot is actually trained from that AE?
Last edited by Fly4hire; 04-21-2009 at 03:30 PM.
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