So... would their displacements from ANC and MSP happen before SOC or after?

 

I'm guessing bidding prior to and actual displacements after. Management has already voiced the concern that they do not want one side taking all the displacements. They would rather partically offset NWA's displacements with Delta's growth for less total disruption.

With the capabilities of aircraft to bypass ANC, it was a matter of time before ANC went the way of Bangor Maine, Keflavik, Shannon, in cargo operations. Still I had hoped NWA's quite substantial cargo business would survive in some form.

 

I bet they use an AE with a 12 month conversion. That is how I see them doing this.
Just like Bar stated.

 

I don't think they can contractually (not without a LOA to include DALN pilots in the AE) or legally per FAR, do a AE ahead of SOC in anticipation of post SOC position awards. Even if we get the contractual OK, the FAR's may be sticking point.

This would drive the rumored base realignment bid until early 10', which might also account for wanting to keep movement around the system to a minimum for now to avoid pilots with multiple aircraft training cycles in a short time frame.

Also the demographics of the ANC base "300" is ~100 relatively junior SO's, ~70 "older" pilots on LTS, and the balance between very senior Captains and F/O's. Between a early buy out and implementation of trip rig and DALS ALV/TLV's they could absorb a large percentage of the base without a lot of need for displacements.

Throw in a reduction in 88 ALV's and increase in other NB flying and we are short staffed.....

 

On another board someone wrote about ALPA, "let me roll over for a belly rub."

I have no idea what that means

 

Hm - I disagree. First - each side could have their own AEs after August, so the 747 can still be drawn down after then.

The FARs don't come into place here, IMHO - the AEs are only for scheduling training. Prior to SOC, the crews can't fly together, that's all. I can't see why they can still be trained to fly other aircraft.

 

I understand what you are saying Nu. I think that there are a lot of cards in play here that will make most of this fall together quite well.
Flt Ops has been worried about other Depts making the Dec 2009 SOC time frame. With what has been going on as of late, it appears that these other departments are on track if not ahead. The date is looking more and more like a worst case.
As for the AE. They will be able to do what they need to to make it all work.
I would hope to see buyouts this fall.
You are correct, we were looking at being understaffed by about 150 or so for Q2-3 2010 with the freighters being parked. Early outs will just add to it.

 

That is the way I see it. They can always postpone or cancel that part of the AW if the wheels fall off the bus.

Also, and DAL-S guys getting their training pushed back to June or July. I have heard that the displacement training is being pushed back a little.

 

Me neither....

Personally I have no issue as long as the DALN pilots are included in an AE ahead of SOC for post SOC positions.

If we get into a position of where only DALS pilots get to bid on (non-fenced) post SOC positions now we will have a problem. I don't think either DAL Inc or the MEC would willingly walk into that vipers pit......

 

According to our contract admin folks at ALPA anyone who is displaced prior to SOC will not have a freeze.