True. But the problem was, they kept telling the UAX carriers that it was out of their hands, and that management didn't want to fix it. Went on for what, 2 years? The problem was, it WAS changed in the first part of 2008 to kick the priority up of TSA/GoJets pilot above other UAX carriers. So if the system glitch couldn't be changed, how where they able to put one carrier above others, but not able to sort out a particular carrier on that carriers equipment?

Not really, they simply stated that after 2 years, they are tired of UAL not willing to solve the problem. Read the LAST part of the letter again. It wants UAL pilots to contact their reps and let them know what's going on, because the UAX JS chairs are doing nothing but banging their head against the wall trying to get it fixed.

See above.

So you don't care that pilot is not being given the JS on his OWN equipment?

Not really, they were simply tired of the problem that was going on, and wanted to bring it to the attention of the pilots. How long can you expect something like that to continue, with the JS chairs going through all the proper channels but to no avail? And what was the effect? Did it ever come down to the "war". NOPE, they FINALLY got it straightened out. Pretty sad what it took to get it straightened out, isn't it? But what do you expect when somebody is unwilling to change something? As far as the last part, is that MORE flame?

Yep, we all know the CA is, but the problem that was occurring that most people don't get was this; At locations where the plane is distant from the gate, and or the UAL/UAX gate agent is poorly trained, the UAX pilot was not even being given the OMC and able to walk down to see the CA, only the UAL pilot was. Now the UAX pilot is being denied the seat.

 

It will sound cold, but I could care less about the jumpseat snafu's at other carriers. I could care less how long it has been going on, and barriers in place to prevent a solution for that carrier.

We have our own set of distinct issues here at United. None of which you should care about. I will say that we just put 1450 pilots out on the street at the same time Glenn Tilton and the gang are exponentially growing the RJ fleet. Most are being furloughed for the second time. To that end, you won't find many here who care about the travails of the Express pilots. If a childish stunt threatening to ban us from the jumpseat is ever employed again, I can assure the Express pilots that the outcome might not be as pleasant.

Like your avatar. Happy Halloween!

 

Gotta love that "it's all about me" attitude.

Wow, the company I work for has the second highest count of furloughed pilots on the street, right behind UAL. UAL is not the only company in the crapper right now.

Amazing how that "childish stunt" as you put it ACTUALLY got the problem resolved, isn't it? After TWO years of going though the proper channels.

And please, answer me this.

Why should a GoJet pilot get ANY kind of priority for anything?

And how is the one of the most anti scab airlines going to to give JS priority to the airlines that has the most scabs?

 

I now understand why you have so many posts.

I never said it was about me. I care the United pilots. I could care less about whether Timmy can get his jumpseat on his airline.

So you say jumpseats should not be used a weapon but appear to agree that what they did was ok. Have a great career skippy! And yes, that was a flame.

 

If you keep it up, you'll be there shortly.

Sorry, but the last sentence contradicts the first.

Not what I said, you're putting words in my mouth.

You have a great career also

Any chance you might be able to answer the questions about GoJets and the scabs?

 

Why is this being drug into a "why I should care about the plight of express pilots." GMAFB!

Bevis, all I originally said was 1) Jumpseats should not be used as a weapon and 2) The United Express routes are actually United routes. Nothing else.

When 1450 pilot jobs are outsourced, I care about those pilots and their families. 90% of the f/o's I flew with are on the street. Why should I care about the problems at express?

Nuff said..

 

Never was. But it's pretty safe to say that there was gross ignorance displayed about what REALLY happened during the UAX JS fiasco, and not by me.

Never disagreed with that point. But if it's going to be made, the UAL guys that still carry the list better start putting it away. Especially between one specific city pair in the UAL and CAL route system.

Never disagreed with that either, you misread what I wrote.

I cared about the guys that got furloughed from my last job, then I became one of them later. I care about the guys furloughed from my current job. A lot of the FO''s I flew with are on the street ALSO. Are you somehow better than anybody else?

Pilots are their own worst enemies. Sadly, it's been proven time and time again.

True, take care and fly safe.

 

Well I will disagree with you here fritz I would not let them ride with a guppy killer sticker on their bags. Many of my fo were flying that guppy not too long ago and something like that sticker sets off some tough feelings and takes my fo out of the loop on that leg? No thanks, would rather not take the jumpseater and work well with my fo.

 

As you wish. I'd rather have him in the cockpit for 2 hrs or so and rip him a new one. My f/o's most definitely knew I was on their side.

Take Care.

 

well I won't get in the middle of Fritz, and DoJet, but I support any airline pilot groups right to run their jumpseat as they see fit. If UAL, and CAL want to enter into some agreement, than that is their choice. Just because one airline flies contract for another should not dictate how each airline runs their respective jumpseat priorities.