Can you give me a frame-of-reference here?

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What did ALPA do wrong, from a communications perspective?

 

DPA wouldn't need to cut itself off from other major airline pilots unless that was the collective wisdom of the Delta pilot group. CAPA is proof of how you can build new alliances.

We could do that now...but we don't! Our negotiators are line pilots that attend seminars in how to negotiate. One reason I believe we would get stronger contracts is that we would be freed from ALPA legal's "advice" that is nearly always: "let's go along, and get along, and live to fight another day."

DPA isn't born yet. The people who run DPA won't be determined until after the ALPA decertification vote. Then there will be campaigns for elected office holders. Then elections.

This is such a great question IMO. I've witnessed so many great guys enter positions on the LEC, only to have their view change completely once they get assimilated by ALPA national. Without that DC bureaucracy, our local guys will stay focused on what Delta pilots feel is best. Not any other airline, or any other group.

Carl

 

If you actually read posts, you could characterize them with some accuracy. I'm not complaining about our local pilots who have stepped up. I'm complaining about their hands being tied far too often by ALPA national when our guys try to do what they know we want.

No. I think I'm too old to maintain the high energy pace required to do the job. I certainly will send in my opinions, desires, and votes...as always.

Carl

 

No task is too difficult for the man who doesn't have to do it himself.

 

While that's uncool and against the TOS, my problem with slowplay is that he's the one that continually uses the identity card to attempt the silencing of opinion. In the case of ATC, slowplay sent him a threat if he didn't stop posting opinions negative about ALPA. That's the part that is inexcusably low.

I have NEVER attempted to do that. Even if I knew (or cared) who slowplay is, I would never attempt to reveal it. Where have I ever done that? Or is this just a drive-by on your part?

Carl

 

Why...so denial experts like you can continue to say: "I just don't see anything here?" There are nearly 2,000 posts here ace. Instead of being too lazy to read them, please read them. Then come back and relay the info that many have stated here...as detailed as you can.

Carl

 

Heyas,

Carl is right. Here's another example of one of the ALPA defenders trying to ID a poster.

Spash has no idea [deleted]. I don't know him from Adam, and yet he feels confident he knows me with a stunning 131 posts with an account barely 8 months old.

I call foul and the moderators need to step in.

Nu

 

Your opinion only. Mine is that DPA will be at least as capable of using the same law firm that is afraid to litigate anything. Their motto is: "Never test it in the courts, because we might lose. Let's live to fight another day. Now...please pay this invoice."

The world's expertise on these matters does not reside within one law firm Bar.

Carl

 

Proof that you don't care to learn anything from anybody. If they give you chapter and verse, you say: "Different circumstances."

You're pro ALPA...good for you. Just don't pretend that your opinion could actually be changed if given the right information.

Carl

 

Dont forget to mention Carl that that law firm IS our professional negotiating team.