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10-31-2010, 02:34 PM

#2041

Splash

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NuGuy

ALPA will not change. They are too ironbound by their communications scripture to deviate from it.

Can you give me a frame-of-reference here?

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What did ALPA do wrong, from a communications perspective?

Last edited by vagabond; 10-31-2010 at 04:00 PM. Reason: deleted personal reference that might identify someone

10-31-2010, 03:03 PM

#2042

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Hawaii50

This thread seems to just complain about ALPA. How about some reasons why DPA will make our lives better? Not pipe dreams.

- Why would cutting ourselves off from our fellow major airline pilots and making ourselves a smaller group improve our political clout on any of these issues?

DPA wouldn't need to cut itself off from other major airline pilots unless that was the collective wisdom of the Delta pilot group. CAPA is proof of how you can build new alliances.

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Originally Posted by Hawaii50

- Why would we get better contracts? Professional negotiators? We could do that now.

We could do that now...but we don't! Our negotiators are line pilots that attend seminars in how to negotiate. One reason I believe we would get stronger contracts is that we would be freed from ALPA legal's "advice" that is nearly always: "let's go along, and get along, and live to fight another day."

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- How can we trust the people who want to run this?

DPA isn't born yet. The people who run DPA won't be determined until after the ALPA decertification vote. Then there will be campaigns for elected office holders. Then elections.

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Originally Posted by Hawaii50

- Why would a smaller group of just Delta guys listen anymore than those in charge now?

This is such a great question IMO. I've witnessed so many great guys enter positions on the LEC, only to have their view change completely once they get assimilated by ALPA national. Without that DC bureaucracy, our local guys will stay focused on what Delta pilots feel is best. Not any other airline, or any other group.

Carl

10-31-2010, 03:15 PM

#2043

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Splash

Carl is complaining about the pilots who've stepped up, and he wants a new group to step up...because, Hey!, there's no way anyone will complain about THOSE guys!

If you actually read posts, you could characterize them with some accuracy. I'm not complaining about our local pilots who have stepped up. I'm complaining about their hands being tied far too often by ALPA national when our guys try to do what they know we want.

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Originally Posted by Splash

I'd like to know if Carl is going to be one of the pilots to step up. Will you step up?

No. I think I'm too old to maintain the high energy pace required to do the job. I certainly will send in my opinions, desires, and votes...as always.

Carl

10-31-2010, 03:21 PM

#2044

Karnak

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No task is too difficult for the man who doesn't have to do it himself.

10-31-2010, 03:28 PM

#2045

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Sink r8

Carl, or Slowplay? If Carl's accusations about threats and using correct identities using PM's is correct, I have a problem with it.

While that's uncool and against the TOS, my problem with slowplay is that he's the one that continually uses the identity card to attempt the silencing of opinion. In the case of ATC, slowplay sent him a threat if he didn't stop posting opinions negative about ALPA. That's the part that is inexcusably low.

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Originally Posted by Sink r8

But then again, it seems like Carl and ATC are trying to reveal Slow's identity in the public portion.

I have NEVER attempted to do that. Even if I knew (or cared) who slowplay is, I would never attempt to reveal it. Where have I ever done that? Or is this just a drive-by on your part?

Carl

10-31-2010, 03:35 PM

#2046

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Splash

Sounds simple!

Give me the step-by-step strategy the DPA would have used to counter the stomping administered under the protection of bankruptcy laws. Please make it as detailed as possible.

Thanks in advance.

Why...so denial experts like you can continue to say: "I just don't see anything here?" There are nearly 2,000 posts here ace. Instead of being too lazy to read them, please read them. Then come back and relay the info that many have stated here...as detailed as you can.

Carl

10-31-2010, 03:40 PM

#2047

NuGuy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Splash

Can you give me a frame-of-reference here?

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What did ALPA do wrong, from a communications perspective?

Heyas,

Carl is right. Here's another example of one of the ALPA defenders trying to ID a poster.

Spash has no idea [deleted]. I don't know him from Adam, and yet he feels confident he knows me with a stunning 131 posts with an account barely 8 months old.

I call foul and the moderators need to step in.

Nu

Last edited by vagabond; 10-31-2010 at 04:02 PM.

10-31-2010, 03:41 PM

#2048

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Splash,

Refer to my post above. DPA would be completely overwhelmed and incapable of handling anything on the level of what ALPA dealt with in the previous decade. That sort of expertise is very cutting edge and very expensive.

Your opinion only. Mine is that DPA will be at least as capable of using the same law firm that is afraid to litigate anything. Their motto is: "Never test it in the courts, because we might lose. Let's live to fight another day. Now...please pay this invoice."

The world's expertise on these matters does not reside within one law firm Bar.

Carl

10-31-2010, 03:46 PM

#2049

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Splash

Different judge.
Different contract.
Different circumstances.

You need to prove that the DPA would do it differently.

Proof that you don't care to learn anything from anybody. If they give you chapter and verse, you say: "Different circumstances."

You're pro ALPA...good for you. Just don't pretend that your opinion could actually be changed if given the right information.

Carl