Delta Pilots Association
09-22-2010, 02:32 PM
#451
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Sorry I didn't respond to your post before you posted it, next time I will read your mind.
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
I think it is a little funny that when management sends stuff like this about pilots out in the media you scream about what jerks they are and how distorted their numbers are.
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
I haven't seen the origin of those numbers, but I believe they include all benefits including medical and retirement.
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
The question is how much will DPA pay to replace these functions on a pay as you go basis. Why don't you ask your merger committee how much they paid for experts and lawyers during the 5 months of the SLI process. I believe that between the two it was over $600,000 per month.
Originally Posted by alfaromeo
But you can keep bashing the salaries of the people that work for you. I am sure that maybe you can get a job in corporate communications the next time contract talks come around. You tell everyone how a 747 Captain makes over $250,000 a year (pay and benefits) and only works 80 hours a month. Gets free meals on board the aircraft and even gets to sleep going over to Japan. What a bunch of overpaid jet jockeys. That should get you started.
Carl
09-22-2010, 02:34 PM
#452
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Position: A-320/A
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Of course it was 40% off the richest contract in labor history that they negotiated in 2001. I don't remember a lot of people saying in 2002-2004 that we should be like SWAPA. For a while our 737 first officers made more than their captains. Same with APA. Just sayin'..........
I'll bite....just approximately WHAT percentage of paycut/pension erosion would you be ok with,as a result of BK, or are you happy with what "our guys" negotiated for us? I'm just sayin'...
Chuck
By the way, the UAL of '02 (I think)--(I do recall their 747 captains were paid $310 per hour) contract was much richer than the NWA 1998 contract.
09-22-2010, 03:28 PM
#453
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Pre CH 11 DAL paid their 777A's 319 an hr. What is the point to this?
Even the carriers (sans LUV) that had independent representation took massive pay cuts. (Ch 11 or not) We have only started the post bk era. No one argues we need more, but look at the whole picture.
LUV was cherry picking your routes and could afford to feed off our fat. No the case anymore.
Even the carriers (sans LUV) that had independent representation took massive pay cuts. (Ch 11 or not) We have only started the post bk era. No one argues we need more, but look at the whole picture.
LUV was cherry picking your routes and could afford to feed off our fat. No the case anymore.
09-22-2010, 03:51 PM
#454
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You just answered your own question quite effectively. Who considers ALPA attorneys to be the best labor attorneys in the country?...Airline management.
Carl
Carl
09-22-2010, 03:51 PM
#455
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Of course it was 40% off the richest contract in labor history that they negotiated in 2001. I don't remember a lot of people saying in 2002-2004 that we should be like SWAPA. For a while our 737 first officers made more than their captains. Same with APA. Just sayin'..........
09-22-2010, 03:56 PM
#457
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That is of course your right to believe what you wish. But I don't think you can argue that ALPA national uses extreme fear tactics against its own members. If some are angry about ALPA's fear tactics, then some will probably vote for DPA. My decision is simply based on firing the incompetent. That is what I must do in my life outside the airline. My business wouldn't have survived otherwise.
Carl
Carl
But back to my anger point... you are establishing yourself as a proponent of DPA so far. When you're putting up salaries of National employees in a discussion about DPA, what effect are you going for in support of your argument... if not anger at the incumbents?
09-22-2010, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
But back to my anger point... you are establishing yourself as a proponent of DPA so far. When you're putting up salaries of National employees in a discussion about DPA, what effect are you going for in support of your argument... if not anger at the incumbents?
Carl
09-22-2010, 04:27 PM
#460
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
The 1986 MD-88 Captain rate (12 yr) was $135.53. Adjusted for inflation, that would be $280.13 in 2012. The same rate in our current contract for 2012 is $167.68. It would take a 67% increase to our current contract 2012 rate to get back to the buying power enjoyed by a 1986 MD-88 Captain. And how is it you justify that 42% pay cut again??
Extrapolate the 1999 rate. See where that gets you. Or better yet, do a long term, historical look since deregulation and see what that trend line looks like. Our rates have nothing to do with LM or ALPA, its called market forces, and the trend is not our friend.
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