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09-22-2010 | 04:41 PM
#461
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Why do you only pick the 1986 or 2004 rates???
Extrapolate the 1999 rate. See where that gets you. Or better yet, do a long term, historical look since deregulation and see what that trend line looks like. Our rates have nothing to do with LM or ALPA, its called market forces, and the trend is not our friend.
Extrapolate the 1999 rate. See where that gets you. Or better yet, do a long term, historical look since deregulation and see what that trend line looks like. Our rates have nothing to do with LM or ALPA, its called market forces, and the trend is not our friend.
I think if you look at history, you will see that the buying power of a major airline pilot has been relatively consistent from the 1960's all the way through the 1990's. Sure, there have been some ups and downs and isolated examples, but nothing like what we saw in the past decade. Deregulation happened about 30 years ago, right? The massive decrease in the value of our profession didn't happen until over 20 years into deregulation. I really don't think you can blame it on that.
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09-22-2010 | 04:46 PM
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Of course it was 40% off the richest contract in labor history that they negotiated in 2001. I don't remember a lot of people saying in 2002-2004 that we should be like SWAPA. For a while our 737 first officers made more than their captains. Same with APA. Just sayin'..........
"Labor History?"
Please splain me that
09-22-2010 | 04:49 PM
#464
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Carl;
To be fair, I think the poster asked about the secretaries' pay being MD88 FO or better.
Administrators are way more important than secretaries, they administer stuff and check for hall passes.
Secretaries don't type, do shorthand or take meeting minutes anymore, they just mess up your calendar in outlook so they shouldn't make as much as MD88FO's.
09-22-2010 | 04:52 PM
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Sure, there have been some ups and downs and isolated examples, but nothing like what we saw in the past decade. Deregulation happened about 30 years ago, right? The massive decrease in the value of our profession didn't happen until ~20 years into deregulation. I really don't think you can blame it on that.
09-22-2010 | 04:56 PM
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Yup this^^^^^^^^
09-22-2010 | 05:00 PM
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And I think that statement is absolutely false. The decrease started as soon as the ink was dry on Pub.L. 95-504. As new carriers sprang up, wages of the old carriers started dropping. That trend continues to this day, though I think it is likely bottoming out.
Again, I think the facts will prove you are wrong.
Again, I think the facts will prove you are wrong.
In other words, I don't think you can use our pay trends since deregulation as justification for the 42% "emergency" pay cut just prior to and during BK and then the lack of any meaningful restoration since exiting BK several years ago.
09-22-2010 | 05:03 PM
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Also if one of our guys sued DPA for a DFR how do you think they would fair financially? New association and all. Again ACL.. this is classic ALPA scare tactics. I don't know if this path is right.. I DO know that the one we are on has no competition, and takes no questions. They get asked now, and all of a sudden the defense of the status quo becomes a game of chicken. the ALPA leader makes more than 3 times any captain on this property. THAT is disgusting.. and guess what.. there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that it will change from within. I haven't sent in a card... yet. I am waiting for more information. It won't take much. Where is mr prater in all this anyway? Wiping caviar from the latest state dinner off of his tux?
09-22-2010 | 05:04 PM
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