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#5871
Banned
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Well if ALPA's so called interference results in us getting proportional increases like HAL did in 2010 without dragging the amenable date out then I say the money was well spent. You will probably say that's not fair as they used some of the Delta pilot's dues to get that contract though.
#5874
Agreed, he should never have put it on the forum and it was certainly poor judgement. He should not have defended it and should have retracted and apoligized. That is my opinion.
However, as a grown man not fond of political correctness for its own sake, it is more than a little over the top on the apologist reaction. It seems to me some of them are trying to get him fired...hmmm. Pot meet kettle.
#5875
#5876
Can't abide NAI
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Questions that make the DPA dance #1:
"Tell me of any example of the alleged conflict of interest having an effect on the Delta pilot contract."
The DPA will deflect to the Constitution and Bylaws which have always given ALPA's President final review of an ALPA contract. The difference between THEN and NOW is that there is a procedure which clarifies the process.
If you want to cite examples:
"Is this about a seniority list re-do?"
The answer will be "no, absolutely not." Then the Green Book guys will tell you how they don't really have a dog in the fight due to their age, but ALPA subverted DOH and their attorney will tell you "ALPA subverted DOH" and the majority of their supporters in Detroit will say "ALPA subverted DOH."
Just Google the DPA's Counsel, Lee Seham, and see what he's written. Take his word for it. He's advocated DOH in every instance I've seen him in.
"Tell me of any example of the alleged conflict of interest having an effect on the Delta pilot contract."
The DPA will deflect to the Constitution and Bylaws which have always given ALPA's President final review of an ALPA contract. The difference between THEN and NOW is that there is a procedure which clarifies the process.
If you want to cite examples:
- CC Air: Regional carrier where ALPA's President with held signature due to contract deemed sub standard
- Ford,Cooksey et. al. v. ALPA: ALPA defended Delta Pilots' right to act as the ONLY Bargaining Agent with Delta management (and in settlement preserved the right... the RJ guys can complain to ALPA, but they have no seat at the table with Delta management)
"Is this about a seniority list re-do?"
The answer will be "no, absolutely not." Then the Green Book guys will tell you how they don't really have a dog in the fight due to their age, but ALPA subverted DOH and their attorney will tell you "ALPA subverted DOH" and the majority of their supporters in Detroit will say "ALPA subverted DOH."
Just Google the DPA's Counsel, Lee Seham, and see what he's written. Take his word for it. He's advocated DOH in every instance I've seen him in.
#5878
#5879
Bar,
I can't answer for DPA but to your first question, are we privy to the behind the scenes interaction of national and local MECs? But that said, what about that letter concerning DCI carriers ability to have input in mainline negotiations? I don't have the link, but it's always worth discussing.
As to the redoing the SLI, which honestly seems a bit of a tin foil hat idea, but what subgroup would benefit from that?
I can't answer for DPA but to your first question, are we privy to the behind the scenes interaction of national and local MECs? But that said, what about that letter concerning DCI carriers ability to have input in mainline negotiations? I don't have the link, but it's always worth discussing.
As to the redoing the SLI, which honestly seems a bit of a tin foil hat idea, but what subgroup would benefit from that?
#5880
As I read it FTB, we have to confer with DCI for any scope changes..every step of the way. Confer just means they have input and not neccesarily a vote. However, the ALPA president signs the contracts and he does this after ensuring they meet (among other things) ALPA's scope goals...whatever they are.
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