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Old 08-11-2011 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
ALPA national does indeed interfere. On many levels. Up to and including reminding you where and if you get your funding. It's a good point for everyone to remember that your vote can always be NO...despite the expected fear campain from ALPA/management.

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Well if ALPA's so called interference results in us getting proportional increases like HAL did in 2010 without dragging the amenable date out then I say the money was well spent. You will probably say that's not fair as they used some of the Delta pilot's dues to get that contract though.
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Old 08-11-2011 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by grnbkrevenge
Nothing I've said is false it's just distasteful to your group like vegan donuts are to me.

Vegan donuts?!? What the hell did he just say?!






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Old 08-11-2011 | 02:52 PM
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So does this mean "limey" is also racist?
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Old 08-11-2011 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yup, if that's what the guy said, he shouldn't have said it. He should apologize and admit it was a dumb thing to say. Everyone does it. If he doesn't apologize, he should be removed from DPA.

Next!

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Agreed, he should never have put it on the forum and it was certainly poor judgement. He should not have defended it and should have retracted and apoligized. That is my opinion.

However, as a grown man not fond of political correctness for its own sake, it is more than a little over the top on the apologist reaction. It seems to me some of them are trying to get him fired...hmmm. Pot meet kettle.
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Old 08-11-2011 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
So does this mean "limey" is also racist?
Or how about "Penguin?" You know, flightless bird with wings for no apparent reason.

Also used along with the term "seagull" to describe habitual office dwellers.
Have to throw rocks at them to make them fly.

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Old 08-11-2011 | 03:25 PM
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Questions that make the DPA dance #1:

"Tell me of any example of the alleged conflict of interest having an effect on the Delta pilot contract."

The DPA will deflect to the Constitution and Bylaws which have always given ALPA's President final review of an ALPA contract. The difference between THEN and NOW is that there is a procedure which clarifies the process.

If you want to cite examples:
  • CC Air: Regional carrier where ALPA's President with held signature due to contract deemed sub standard
  • Ford,Cooksey et. al. v. ALPA: ALPA defended Delta Pilots' right to act as the ONLY Bargaining Agent with Delta management (and in settlement preserved the right... the RJ guys can complain to ALPA, but they have no seat at the table with Delta management)
Questions that make the DPA dance #2:

"Is this about a seniority list re-do?"

The answer will be "no, absolutely not." Then the Green Book guys will tell you how they don't really have a dog in the fight due to their age, but ALPA subverted DOH and their attorney will tell you "ALPA subverted DOH" and the majority of their supporters in Detroit will say "ALPA subverted DOH."

Just Google the DPA's Counsel, Lee Seham, and see what he's written. Take his word for it. He's advocated DOH in every instance I've seen him in.
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Old 08-11-2011 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
So does this mean "limey" is also racist?
No, but it's homophobic. You know, referring to someone as a fruit.

Carl
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Old 08-11-2011 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Hey there slow! There Auburn mafia at DAL is powerful and far-reaching.... We'll be watching you!
But not all that closely between September and January.

Did I say January?


I did!!!
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Old 08-11-2011 | 04:35 PM
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Bar,
I can't answer for DPA but to your first question, are we privy to the behind the scenes interaction of national and local MECs? But that said, what about that letter concerning DCI carriers ability to have input in mainline negotiations? I don't have the link, but it's always worth discussing.

As to the redoing the SLI, which honestly seems a bit of a tin foil hat idea, but what subgroup would benefit from that?
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Old 08-11-2011 | 04:50 PM
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As I read it FTB, we have to confer with DCI for any scope changes..every step of the way. Confer just means they have input and not neccesarily a vote. However, the ALPA president signs the contracts and he does this after ensuring they meet (among other things) ALPA's scope goals...whatever they are.
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