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08-11-2011 | 01:02 PM
#5864
Da Hudge
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Yet some would say their exceptional? 2010 Contract was negotiated with the same ALPA. 14 days with the NMB and ALPA and they had it done. Different times different decisions. All you did was point out that the ALPA can make a suggestion and that the MEC doesn't need to follow it. It was a gamble. Isn't that the opposite corollary to your argument that ALPA National interferes?
well.. one way or the other, since you're Carl Spakler back again, BYE BYE.
08-11-2011 | 01:02 PM
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From: 747-400 Captain
08-11-2011 | 01:26 PM
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He used the term "beaners" in a remark (that I think was intended to be humorous and critical) about the announcement of Delta's agreement with AeroMexico. To be honest, I had never seen or heard that term before and it initially flew right over my head... until I started seeing the reaction to it in replies. A quick Google search yielded the following from Wikepedia:
"Beaner is a slang term, widely regarded as derogatory, that refers to people of Mexican descent. The term originates from the prevalence of frijoles pintos and other beans in Mexican food.
According to The Historical Dictionary of American Slang, the word was first seen in print in 1965, although the term has reportedly been in use at least since the 1940s (perhaps having evolved from previous slurs such as "bean-eater" and "bean-bandit" that were in use since as far back as the 1910s.)
Although the word is generally considered pejorative, its usage is not always overtly offensive and can be fairly benign depending on the context (similar to the term "frog" for a French person.)
Though perhaps once considered strictly offensive, it appears that the term may be going through a phase of melioration, where the negative connotation of an ethnic slur is "reclaimed" by those it is directed against and used in a neutral or even positive manner.
Other ethnic slurs based on food include "Curry muncher" (East Indians) and "Frog" (French)."
"Beaner is a slang term, widely regarded as derogatory, that refers to people of Mexican descent. The term originates from the prevalence of frijoles pintos and other beans in Mexican food.
According to The Historical Dictionary of American Slang, the word was first seen in print in 1965, although the term has reportedly been in use at least since the 1940s (perhaps having evolved from previous slurs such as "bean-eater" and "bean-bandit" that were in use since as far back as the 1910s.)
Although the word is generally considered pejorative, its usage is not always overtly offensive and can be fairly benign depending on the context (similar to the term "frog" for a French person.)
Though perhaps once considered strictly offensive, it appears that the term may be going through a phase of melioration, where the negative connotation of an ethnic slur is "reclaimed" by those it is directed against and used in a neutral or even positive manner.
Other ethnic slurs based on food include "Curry muncher" (East Indians) and "Frog" (French)."
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Carl
08-11-2011 | 01:36 PM
#5867
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08-11-2011 | 01:41 PM
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From: 747-400 Captain
Did you mean "they're" exceptional? If that's what you meant, I think the Hawaiian pilots were indeed exceptional back then. They got all the same pressure and extreme fear tactics from ALPA national, but the pilots still said no...go back an negotiate some more. It paid off for them. Hawaiian pilots deserve everything they have. I've got a lot of respect for them.
ALPA national does indeed interfere. On many levels. Up to and including reminding you where and if you get your funding. It's a good point for everyone to remember that your vote can always be NO...despite the expected fear campain from ALPA/management.
Carl
2010 Contract was negotiated with the same ALPA. 14 days with the NMB and ALPA and they had it done. Different times different decisions. All you did was point out that the ALPA can make a suggestion and that the MEC doesn't need to follow it. It was a gamble. Isn't that the opposite corollary to your argument that ALPA National interferes?
Carl
08-11-2011 | 01:48 PM
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Then you haven't flown with them all yet. Most of us Greenies spend a lot of time explaining our differences to those that care to hear the long history that made us the way we were. It matters when trying to build unity that one understands history. Maybe not a great avatar name but the list is getting short here for available names. Too late now. I assume since you are calling me someone elses name that you are a pro-DPA supporter and also not interested in talking about facts? You deflect like Carl. Why discuss facts when you can dismiss and ignore. Nothing I've said is false it's just distasteful to your group like vegan donuts are to me.
08-11-2011 | 01:50 PM
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Forgot to Bid is correct on every assumption. You and ALPA just don't like it publicized. If you knew we wanted it, you'd publicize it yourself. But you and ALPA know we don't. Thus the need for ALPA's constant subterfuge.
It doesn't at all. It only means that UAL/CAL pilots are fighting ALPA and management to reclaim scope. Just like we'll have to do. Just like the Hawaiian pilots had to do in bankruptcy.
Nothing other than fighting ALPA just as hard as management. It just seems a shame that our union and management are on the same side of the table, and line pilots are on the other.
Again, FTB got it exactly right.
Carl
Again, FTB got it exactly right.
Carl
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