Delta Pilots Association
08-13-2011, 06:54 AM
#6002
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
OK, I'm a new guy just looking to get a little more info and obviously playing catch-up here.
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Who is SSMP,
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who is AICA
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and what's up with a law firm whose clients are both labor and management?
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And I suspect there's a USAPA connection of some sort. Sorry if I'm slowing things down a little.
Hope that helps.
Carl
08-13-2011, 06:54 AM
#6003
Kerbal Rocket Surgeon
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 88A ATL
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
My preference is to work with Delta to find a model by which Delta pilots perform Delta flying. I'm fine with reasonable wages and I'll enjoy a more than 35% raise by upgrading and getting back in the command seat. There is potential for a win / win here, by our doing our flying more productively with less managerial redundancy.
Sometimes I think about the irony of the tens of thousands of regional employees that are not crew members, and remember that crew member wage sacrifices have created a majority of those jobs. Granted if mainline took back 100% of their flying you would see an increase in support staff, but my guess is that there are a whole lot of "synergies" to be found out there.
08-13-2011, 07:01 AM
#6004
Can't abide NAI
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Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
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80, 88, Scambo and Carl,
I'm a little bit of a representational agnostic. Whether ALPA or the DPA represents pilots matters less to me than how they do their job.
ALPA's got more tools in it's tool box. It hasn't used them. Unity is the "breaker bar" which has been sitting under a pile of dust since the 1960's. I'm hoping to convince our MEC to toss the rechargeable 6 volt crap and grab that thing in the bottom of the box with the Big Freaking Long Steel Handle on which is printed, "UNITY, DELTA PILOTS DO DELTA FLYING"
The DPA simply doesn't own that tool. They can't buy it, rent it, or borrow it.
I'm a little bit of a representational agnostic. Whether ALPA or the DPA represents pilots matters less to me than how they do their job.
ALPA's got more tools in it's tool box. It hasn't used them. Unity is the "breaker bar" which has been sitting under a pile of dust since the 1960's. I'm hoping to convince our MEC to toss the rechargeable 6 volt crap and grab that thing in the bottom of the box with the Big Freaking Long Steel Handle on which is printed, "UNITY, DELTA PILOTS DO DELTA FLYING"
The DPA simply doesn't own that tool. They can't buy it, rent it, or borrow it.
08-13-2011, 07:02 AM
#6005
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: 73 lifer
Posts: 130
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
(no offense to the cognitively challenged intended)
Last edited by zoomiezombie; 08-13-2011 at 07:25 AM.
08-13-2011, 07:05 AM
#6006
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
I'm not so sure if that's a good thing. They all agreed to binding arbitration, so why not just put up your best case, honor your word and press on?
I'm simply pointing out how that train of logic is derailed.
Carl
08-13-2011, 07:05 AM
#6007
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Welcome newbie!
They are the law firm of Seham Seham Meltz & Petersen. The DPA has retained them as legal counsel to help them decertify ALPA at Delta Air Lines.
The only USAPA connection is that USAPA has also hired the Seham law firm to decertify ALPA at UsAirways. That obviously succeeded. Some people here are attempting to connect the dots by saying that since DPA hired the same law firm as USAPA, that DPA is really just all about trying to overturn the SLI (Seniority List Integration) at Delta Air Lines.
Hope that helps.
Carl
They are the law firm of Seham Seham Meltz & Petersen. The DPA has retained them as legal counsel to help them decertify ALPA at Delta Air Lines.
The only USAPA connection is that USAPA has also hired the Seham law firm to decertify ALPA at UsAirways. That obviously succeeded. Some people here are attempting to connect the dots by saying that since DPA hired the same law firm as USAPA, that DPA is really just all about trying to overturn the SLI (Seniority List Integration) at Delta Air Lines.
Hope that helps.
Carl
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Last edited by Bucking Bar; 08-13-2011 at 07:23 AM.
08-13-2011, 07:08 AM
#6008
Can't abide NAI
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Originally Posted by zoomiezombie
In spite of the disclaimer, looks like you are mocking fun of handicapped kids. That's not cool.
Hope you aren't sensitive to Charlie Sheen jokes.
Just you wait until I get started on the Air Force weenies and Douglas jets.
I'm an equal opportunity offender.
08-13-2011, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
And here's what YOU keep missing.
It doesn't take ANY lawyer to keep the Nicolau from being implemented. All USAPA has to do is drag their feet in negotiations, something they are doing. Seham gets no credit for that, as they're not needed for that.
It doesn't take ANY lawyer to keep the Nicolau from being implemented. All USAPA has to do is drag their feet in negotiations, something they are doing. Seham gets no credit for that, as they're not needed for that.
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The ONLY reason they need Seham is to attempt to legally overturn Nicolau -- and to date, Seham has failed at every opportunity in that quest. But, at least they HAVE made a ton of money "trying"...
Carl
08-13-2011, 07:11 AM
#6010
The Brown Dot +1
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
80, 88, Scambo and Carl,
I'm a little bit of a representational agnostic. Whether ALPA or the DPA represents pilots matters less to me than how they do their job.
ALPA's got more tools in it's tool box. It hasn't used them. Unity is the "breaker bar" which has been sitting under a pile of dust since the 1960's. I'm hoping to convince our MEC to toss the rechargeable 6 volt crap and grab that thing in the bottom of the box with the Big Freaking Long Steel Handle on which is printed, "UNITY, DELTA PILOTS DO DELTA FLYING"
The DPA simply doesn't own that tool. They can't buy it, rent it, or borrow it.
I'm a little bit of a representational agnostic. Whether ALPA or the DPA represents pilots matters less to me than how they do their job.
ALPA's got more tools in it's tool box. It hasn't used them. Unity is the "breaker bar" which has been sitting under a pile of dust since the 1960's. I'm hoping to convince our MEC to toss the rechargeable 6 volt crap and grab that thing in the bottom of the box with the Big Freaking Long Steel Handle on which is printed, "UNITY, DELTA PILOTS DO DELTA FLYING"
The DPA simply doesn't own that tool. They can't buy it, rent it, or borrow it.
Well, your window for "convincing" ALPA to find that breaker bar seems to be shrinking. Also, what makes you think DPA isnt that breaker bar?
I've seen no evidence that ALPA has a breaker bar and also no evidence that DPA doesn't.
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