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08-13-2011, 08:11 AM
#6031
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Carl,
Sir, you enjoy financial luxuries that my generation and my kids, are unlikely to see.
The concept of a funded "retirement" for starters.
In effect, employers and the government set up a ponzi scheme, which has now collapsed. It's unfair to all involved and probably worst for folks who depended on it and had it disappear just before it was needed.
On the other hand, my parents and some older friends are enjoying multiple, fully funded retirement programs. One former boss is over $250K in retirement due to the ability to collect 100% from 6 different sources (he and his wife's benes).
Sir, you enjoy financial luxuries that my generation and my kids, are unlikely to see.
The concept of a funded "retirement" for starters.
In effect, employers and the government set up a ponzi scheme, which has now collapsed. It's unfair to all involved and probably worst for folks who depended on it and had it disappear just before it was needed.
On the other hand, my parents and some older friends are enjoying multiple, fully funded retirement programs. One former boss is over $250K in retirement due to the ability to collect 100% from 6 different sources (he and his wife's benes).
I think the odds of all those things happening TO ME is extremely high.
Carl
08-13-2011, 08:21 AM
#6032
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 405
So what is it going to take to go from ALPA to DPA? Not trying to stir up a hornets nest, I'm just curious. Is this all a pilot group's decision or does the company have any say so?
Forgive my ignorance
Forgive my ignorance
08-13-2011, 08:25 AM
#6033
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: 767-400
Posts: 797
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
How would / could DPA deal with "big" issues, like cabotage, multi crew pilot licensure, unmanned aircraft ... issues which need to be addressed with the legitimacy of being "the" pilots' union?
Unions get their power directly from those they represent. ALPA represents more than 53,000 pilots at 39 airlines just here and in Canada. DPA does not have that tool in it's tool box. By trying to leverage a "conflict of interest" into a representational "raison d' etre" the DPA is more about building a fence than building bridges.
p.s. Zoomie, I apologize to the French.
Unions get their power directly from those they represent. ALPA represents more than 53,000 pilots at 39 airlines just here and in Canada. DPA does not have that tool in it's tool box. By trying to leverage a "conflict of interest" into a representational "raison d' etre" the DPA is more about building a fence than building bridges.
p.s. Zoomie, I apologize to the French.
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08-13-2011, 09:49 AM
#6034
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Joined APC: Jul 2009
Position: Lowest Pay I Could Find
Posts: 1,044
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
How would / could DPA deal with "big" issues, like cabotage, multi crew pilot licensure, unmanned aircraft ... issues which need to be addressed with the legitimacy of being "the" pilots' union?
Unions get their power directly from those they represent. ALPA represents more than 53,000 pilots at 39 airlines just here and in Canada. DPA does not have that tool in it's tool box. By trying to leverage a "conflict of interest" into a representational "raison d' etre" the DPA is more about building a fence than building bridges.
p.s. Zoomie, I apologize to the French.
Unions get their power directly from those they represent. ALPA represents more than 53,000 pilots at 39 airlines just here and in Canada. DPA does not have that tool in it's tool box. By trying to leverage a "conflict of interest" into a representational "raison d' etre" the DPA is more about building a fence than building bridges.
p.s. Zoomie, I apologize to the French.
08-13-2011, 09:49 AM
#6035
At home on the maddog!
Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Originally Posted by fisherpilot
So what is it going to take to go from ALPA to DPA? Not trying to stir up a hornets nest, I'm just curious. Is this all a pilot group's decision or does the company have any say so?
Forgive my ignorance
Forgive my ignorance
Seems the company is pretty happy with ALPA. I guess from the company's point of view... they want to keep pilot costs low and ALPA seems all too eager to cooperate. Sounds like a match made in heaven.
08-13-2011, 10:11 AM
#6037
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Actually, I don't belive I enjoy this at all Bar. I have always prepared myself financially for my pension to be terminated in a follow-on bankruptcy, and for the PBGC to be liquidated due to excessive government debt, and for me to be means tested out of Social Security.
I think the odds of all those things happening TO ME is extremely high.
Carl
I think the odds of all those things happening TO ME is extremely high.
Carl
08-13-2011, 10:14 AM
#6039
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 474
Originally Posted by BigGuns
CAPA has done a better job trying to fix this profession than ALPA has.
ALPA's been working on crewpass since 2007. I know the pace should be faster, but they did sign an agreement with the TSA and ATA to finally get it going. new name though, and I believe it will start expanding shortly. Has CAPA got a similar program the TSA has signed off on?
I know, small issue, but it's important to a lot of us line grunts. Anything that can reduce the hassle factor at work helps.
08-13-2011, 10:16 AM
#6040
Kerbal Rocket Surgeon
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DTW 717A
Posts: 1,099
Originally Posted by 76drvr
What are their legislative successes?
ALPA's been working on crewpass since 2007. I know the pace should be faster, but they did sign an agreement with the TSA and ATA to finally get it going. new name though, and I believe it will start expanding shortly. Has CAPA got a similar program the TSA has signed off on?
I know, small issue, but it's important to a lot of us line grunts. Anything that can reduce the hassle factor at work helps.
ALPA's been working on crewpass since 2007. I know the pace should be faster, but they did sign an agreement with the TSA and ATA to finally get it going. new name though, and I believe it will start expanding shortly. Has CAPA got a similar program the TSA has signed off on?
I know, small issue, but it's important to a lot of us line grunts. Anything that can reduce the hassle factor at work helps.
As soon as crew members start delaying/cancelling flights due to security screening then money and government come together and solutions magically appear.
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