Where does the FPL issue stand right now? I thought Scambo or someone mentioned their was a spreadsheet out that had info but it had to be broken out or something?

 

I can agree that we can disagree on this.

I do agree that we need to buy more planes, as long as it doesn't mean I have to "sacrifice" my pay to get them. To quote the UCAL pilots: "FUPM"!!!

 

Maybe yours.....Not mine. If that is what is being heard, FILE A RECALL MOTION! Its actually quite easy if you are willing to put forth a modicum of time....(and with all the fervent DPA support in your base, it should be really easy to get enough pilots to affect a change in leadership.....)
Yes they have...... and don't think it doesn't p!ss me and 11,999 others off too.

Yes it will, and that is why we need the support of all the EF&A analysis and the "NMB friendliness" we can get.... Do you know of any pilot unions that can get the Chairman of the NMB to show up as a guest speaker at their meetings?

According to GAAP they can't say that profits are too low by the reason to pay down debt... Different parts of the financial statements.

Since all the NC members, status reps, and line pilots have to live under the next agreement, I am confident that the latter view will prevail.

Don't confuse silence with resignation. Doing that makes for a very poor poker player.

 

Another typical post void of any facts. How about a logical argument as to WHY I am wrong. I'm all ears.

 

So, please enlighten me, then.

 

You said:The Niccolau award is not on the property because a joint agreement was never ratified by both groups per ALPA merger policy. To say that USAPA is purposely not negotiating a joint agreement in order to forego Niccolau is absolutely incorrect. USAirways, on the other hand, is typically drawing out negotiations as long as they possibly can in order to capitalize on the very low rates both AWA and USAirways have and to get immunized from the resulting litigation that will ensue once a joint agreement is reached.

The other theory is that one or both sides of the airline will be sold off. Either way, it is not USAPA who is stalling.

There is also a LOA grievance out there waiting over a year now in an arbitrator's hands. Nobody knows if or when an answer might come back on that one. A year is a long time to sit on a grievance, and there are as many theories as to why the delay as there are planets in the solar system. A happy ending to that judgement would mean a substantial raise for the USAirways East side.

 

What was it that SWAPA and APA and IPA hired ALPA for again? Someone mentioned or alluded to those unions using ALPA services but I can't remember what they used ALPA for?

 

When you get past your usual snarky comments, your own post should show YOU why you're wrong. It's wrong because it's devoid of anything other than personal opinion. Here it is again in case you've forgotten:

Your post is not only a gross oversimplification, but it's flat out wrong. As Brakechatter says above, USAPA is not the one refusing to negotiate. Truth is that management isn't refusing either. Management is just dragging their feet to the maximum limit so as not to be portrayed as negotiating in bad faith. You should talk to USAPA's leaders on this...I have.

But as I've said earlier, the strategy to keep the Nicolau award off the property was a complex one. It began with the decertification of ALPA, and has taken many turns since then to get where they are now. As Brakechatter correctly points out, there is an outstanding grievance on snapback that has the possibility of bringing east pilots much higher wages while still keeping that list off the property. The Seham law firm has helped east pilots pursue the strategy that east pilots want.

Your attempt to minimize the effectiveness of Seham's firm is understandable given your extreme loyalty to ALPA, but you're demonstrably wrong.

Carl

 

They were looking for examples of weak and totally indefensible Scope language. ALPA said: We'll be right over.

Carl

 

Pot, meet kettle!