Delta Pilots Association
08-14-2011, 08:04 AM
#6071
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Originally Posted by A320
Acl65pilot,
Of the several choices I laid out for you to choose from you couldn't find even one. I can't say I blame you as I couldn't find one either.
Of the several choices I laid out for you to choose from you couldn't find even one. I can't say I blame you as I couldn't find one either.
08-14-2011, 08:19 AM
#6073
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
And I told you why. UALALPA has not even had an event like the JPWA to get off the bottom since CH11. You would be saying the same thing about us if the merger did not happen. We got a few things but not a lot. Like I have stated UCAL, and AMR are in section 6. We will be shortly too. How about you judge what happens after UCAL gets another agreement, and then we are at bat. Making a representational decision off of a CH11 deal is very short sighted.
ACL;
This is not directed at you at all, but the part of your statement that I bolded has been stuck in my gizzard for awhile as jus a little nagging gizzard irritation.
You recognize that we did not get a lot of things in our section 6 without a section 6. I recall very clearly being told by the DALPA spokespeople that we did not have leverage then and we were leveraging what we could.
As I reflect back on those heady days, I cannot think of a time in the past, or imagine a time in the future, where we would have more leverage.
Just a thought, and your post brought it to the surface.
Also, I just like the word gizzard.
08-14-2011, 08:26 AM
#6074
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Originally Posted by scambo1
ACL;
This is not directed at you at all, but the part of your statement that I bolded has been stuck in my gizzard for awhile as jus a little nagging gizzard irritation.
You recognize that we did not get a lot of things in our section 6 without a section 6. I recall very clearly being told by the DALPA spokespeople that we did not have leverage then and we were leveraging what we could.
As I reflect back on those heady days, I cannot think of a time in the past, or imagine a time in the future, where we would have more leverage.
Just a thought, and your post brought it to the surface.
Also, I just like the word gizzard.
This is not directed at you at all, but the part of your statement that I bolded has been stuck in my gizzard for awhile as jus a little nagging gizzard irritation.
You recognize that we did not get a lot of things in our section 6 without a section 6. I recall very clearly being told by the DALPA spokespeople that we did not have leverage then and we were leveraging what we could.
As I reflect back on those heady days, I cannot think of a time in the past, or imagine a time in the future, where we would have more leverage.
Just a thought, and your post brought it to the surface.
Also, I just like the word gizzard.
08-14-2011, 08:45 AM
#6076
Back on TDY
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: 747-400 Captain
Posts: 12,487
Originally Posted by gloopy
Speaking of UAL and scope, since they are at least claiming to want 51+ seat flying back, will they be forced to meet and confer with all their ALPA regionals? Have they yet? What was said?
Carl
08-14-2011, 09:45 AM
#6077
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
Originally Posted by brakechatter
You said:
The Niccolau award is not on the property because a joint agreement was never ratified by both groups per ALPA merger policy. To say that USAPA is purposely not negotiating a joint agreement in order to forego Niccolau is absolutely incorrect. USAirways, on the other hand, is typically drawing out negotiations as long as they possibly can in order to capitalize on the very low rates both AWA and USAirways have and to get immunized from the resulting litigation that will ensue once a joint agreement is reached.
The other theory is that one or both sides of the airline will be sold off. Either way, it is not USAPA who is stalling.
The Niccolau award is not on the property because a joint agreement was never ratified by both groups per ALPA merger policy. To say that USAPA is purposely not negotiating a joint agreement in order to forego Niccolau is absolutely incorrect. USAirways, on the other hand, is typically drawing out negotiations as long as they possibly can in order to capitalize on the very low rates both AWA and USAirways have and to get immunized from the resulting litigation that will ensue once a joint agreement is reached.
The other theory is that one or both sides of the airline will be sold off. Either way, it is not USAPA who is stalling.
Originally Posted by brakechatter
There is also a LOA grievance out there waiting over a year now in an arbitrator's hands. Nobody knows if or when an answer might come back on that one. A year is a long time to sit on a grievance, and there are as many theories as to why the delay as there are planets in the solar system. A happy ending to that judgement would mean a substantial raise for the USAirways East side.
08-14-2011, 09:50 AM
#6078
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
When you get past your usual snarky comments, your own post should show YOU why you're wrong. It's wrong because it's devoid of anything other than personal opinion.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Your post is not only a gross oversimplification, but it's flat out wrong.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
As Brakechatter says above, USAPA is not the one refusing to negotiate. Truth is that management isn't refusing either. Management is just dragging their feet to the maximum limit so as not to be portrayed as negotiating in bad faith.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You should talk to USAPA's leaders on this...I have.
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Your attempt to minimize the effectiveness of Seham's firm is understandable given your extreme loyalty to ALPA, but you're demonstrably wrong.
08-14-2011, 10:13 AM
#6079
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Why all the talk about usapa. Does anyone really want to go near that sort of disfunction here? Not with a 10 foot pole.
Personally, if I found myself in the position the east pilots are in, I think I would go to work elsewhere. I dont want to get in the weeds of what they are going thru, let alone entertain it on our property for one second. If anyone wants what they have, they need medication.
USAPA and DPA are not even remotely related in goals. The only thing they have in common is their choice of a lawyer.
Can we please return to detente where usapa is a far off land separated from the wants and goals of the delta pilots by a himalayan mountain range?
Personally, if I found myself in the position the east pilots are in, I think I would go to work elsewhere. I dont want to get in the weeds of what they are going thru, let alone entertain it on our property for one second. If anyone wants what they have, they need medication.
USAPA and DPA are not even remotely related in goals. The only thing they have in common is their choice of a lawyer.
Can we please return to detente where usapa is a far off land separated from the wants and goals of the delta pilots by a himalayan mountain range?
08-14-2011, 10:24 AM
#6080
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,462
Originally Posted by scambo1
Why all the talk about usapa. Does anyone really want to go near that sort of disfunction here? Not with a 10 foot pole.
Personally, if I found myself in the position the east pilots are in, I think I would go to work elsewhere. I dont want to get in the weeds of what they are going thru, let alone entertain it on our property for one second. If anyone wants what they have, they need medication.
USAPA and DPA are not even remotely related in goals. The only thing they have in common is their choice of a lawyer.
Can we please return to detente where usapa is a far off land separated from the wants and goals of the delta pilots by a himalayan mountain range?
Personally, if I found myself in the position the east pilots are in, I think I would go to work elsewhere. I dont want to get in the weeds of what they are going thru, let alone entertain it on our property for one second. If anyone wants what they have, they need medication.
USAPA and DPA are not even remotely related in goals. The only thing they have in common is their choice of a lawyer.
Can we please return to detente where usapa is a far off land separated from the wants and goals of the delta pilots by a himalayan mountain range?
This particular law firm has a long reputation of coming alongside pilot groups who have expressed a strong desire to jump off a cliff. Rather than encourage an alternate path, they do everything they can to help them jump; often times to their long term detriment. USAPA and NWA AMFA are but the most recent examples.
Here's some more info from a website I just discovered when I googled "NWA AMFA Seham"
Transform DPA - Delta Pilots Association
Worth a read, in my OPINION.
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