Let me see what I have on my work computer.

FtB, all I have on this computer is some brief. If you want to see the entire case look under Bensel v ALPA

 

The bottom line is that ALPA is representing both sides of a custody battle for flying. Raise your hands if you would use your ex wife's attorney in a custody battle for your kids.

That's what I thought. So let's say that United/Cal go on strike over limiting rjs to 50 seats. I wonder how many ALPA brothers at Express are going to walk through our picket line to haul our passengers. I also wonder if they will gladly pay strike assessments to support our efforts to get OUR flying back.

In the 80's for every $5 in ALPA dues paid at United or Delta only $1 came back to operate ALPA at those carriers. Today I'll bet is $1 out of every $100 paid goes to operate ALPA at those carriers. I think it is high time for UAL and DAL to pull the plug on ALPA and have each their own independent representation.

21 years ago during indoc at UAL, ALPA spent a few hours with the new hires telling us that "You can thank ALPA for your pay, work rules, and retirement.". I haven't heard that from ALPA in quite awhile. I wonder why.

 

The bottom line is that ALPA is representing both sides of a custody battle for flying. Raise your hands if you would use your ex wife's attorney in a custody battle for your kids.

That's what I thought. So let's say that United/Cal go on strike over limiting rjs to 50 seats. I wonder how many ALPA brothers at Express are going to walk through our picket line to haul our passengers. I also wonder if they will gladly pay strike assessments to support our efforts to get OUR flying back.

In the 80's for every $5 in ALPA dues paid at United or Delta only $1 came back to operate ALPA at those carriers. Today I'll bet is $1 out of every $100 paid goes to operate ALPA at those carriers. I think it is high time for UAL and DAL to pull the plug on ALPA and have each their own independent representation.

21 years ago during indoc at UAL, ALPA spent a few hours with the new hires telling us that "You can thank ALPA for your pay, work rules, and retirement.". I haven't heard that from ALPA in quite awhile. I wonder why.

 

Us Air Captains only make $78,000 Skippy?

Do Delta Captains on the 88 average above or below Southwest FO pay average of $140,000?

 

Straw man. Most regional pilots want the mainline guys to take back the flying so they can get a job that goes somewhere. Most are sick and tired of flying for substandard wages, and getting worked to the bone as a third party operator. Most are not Joe Merchant, and his desire to stay at a regional for QOL. There are a few, but the are the significant minority. Furthermore, these pilots will honor a strike. If they are ALPA they have skin in the game. Now if you are going to willfully turn your backs to your ALPA brothers and sisters, snub your nose at them, then of course they are going to be mad at you. Unity takes all parties. Show value in being a member. Take the flying back, and help them get a job here by whatever means we agree to. Independents or ALPA groups that forget unity are the ones that are most in danger.

As for National money. Of the cash we send to National, the majority is spent on things this MEC and pilot group needs. To put it another way, we spend the money by using the services that national provides. Outsourcing this will not be cheaper in the long run.

 

Wilco.......

 

True Believer.

Take a look at the two largest NON ALPA carriers and compare their contracts to the two largest ALPA carriers. You won't need a calculator I promise you.

 

Nice emotional rant.... Got any time for some rational facts?

Not true, read your blastmail from just a day or two ago.

They will do what is legally permitted, nothing more.....And you'd surprised just how much of the majority of "Express brothers" want all the flying at Mainline.

Actually its 1 out of every 3 now in DIRECT return, and well over 50% of the indirect funds are spent on mainline pilots.

Really? Where have you been hiding? Did you miss the 2001-2011 time period completely? Did you miss the 1998-2000 time period before that where the mainline ALPA pilot made huge gains?


Here is your homework:
Compare and contrast the gains and contracts of IPA, FPA, APA, IACP, NPA, and SWAPA in the 1997-2000 compared to those at UALALPA, DALPA, NWALPA, and USAir ALPA in the same time period.

That is the last time the airlines were all essentially profitable. Report to the class what you find out.

Bonus questions: Who were the lawyers/law firm that were used in support of a pilot unions Negotiating Committee who had the best and/or richest pilot contract? Who were the lawyers/law firm for the ones with the worst and/or cheapest pilot contract?

 

One more thing, I am not so much looking at how much of our dues comes back to us but the totally obvious conflict of interest that ALPA has by representing both sides in the fight for scope.

 

I think ALPA is probably one of the finest professional societies the world has ever seen, however as a union, it just stinks. Getting rid of ALPA as the CBA representative does not mean ALPA has to die. Personally, I see it as a way for ALPA to get stronger as a business and become more like the AMA, the society of engineers, etc. That's what this profession is really lacking; A central institution that sets pilot standards, but instead we're stuck with the FAA. It couldn't be more clear that the FAA does not have the best interests of pilots in mind. That's huge problem and we pay for it everyday.