Delta Pilots Association
10-09-2010, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Superdad
Getting rid of ALPA in favor of another, possibly company concocted, union...
Carl
10-09-2010, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Superdad
ALPA National didn't negotiate away our scope, Delta pilots did. They didn't hold a gun to our heads and force us into it. We have seen the error of our ways, hopefully, and now we want back what WE gave away to begin with. ALPA will not impose their will on our contract, we have the sole power to get what we want, we just need to realize it.
Getting rid of ALPA in favor of another, possibly company concocted, union will not guarantee us a good contract. ALPA certainly has it's failings, but our scope and our next contract is not one if them.
Getting rid of ALPA in favor of another, possibly company concocted, union will not guarantee us a good contract. ALPA certainly has it's failings, but our scope and our next contract is not one if them.
10-09-2010, 04:57 PM
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After leading Delta Air Lines pilots through the carrier's bankruptcy and its mega-merger with Northwest, Lee Moak is aiming for higher altitudes.
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Moak, chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association at Delta for five years, is running for the position of national president of Washington-based ALPA International.
The election is scheduled for Wednesday.
While at Delta, Moak has gained a reputation as a strategist who works closely with airline management to strike deals -- including a labor deal in advance of Delta's announcement of its 2008 merger with Northwest Airlines.
In his bid for the top job at ALPA's national headquarters, Moak is up against three other candidates, including incumbent John Prater. An election for new leadership at Delta's ALPA unit will come in November.
Moak was not available for an interview about either his aspiration to the national office or the state of Delta's ALPA group, whose members are watching a burgeoning industry recovery with an eye toward richer prospects for future contract negotiations. The Delta pilots contract becomes amendable at the end of 2012.
Moak told pilots in a memo late last month that "we can be cautiously optimistic that we will be negotiating a contract with a healthy, profitable company, a situation that has not existed in over ten years and a situation which some on our seniority list have never experienced."
There is some discord within the Delta pilot group, however. An effort to form an independent pilots union to take over representation of the Delta pilots from ALPA is being led by former Northwest and current Delta pilot Tim Caplinger.
Caplinger said he is leading a campaign to collect authorization cards for a representation election to replace ALPA at Delta with a group called the Delta Pilots Association.
ALPA, which represents pilots at about 38 airlines, has conflicted interests because it "is supporting the regional air carriers as well as the low-cost carriers and the international carriers that are all competing for our routes," Caplinger said.
Pilots at American and Southwest have independent unions, but the obstacles to unseating ALPA are daunting.
Some discord is a vestige of the Delta-Northwest pilot group integration, according to Delta pilot Jim White, an ALPA supporter. "Anytime there's a merger, there's always a perceived slight or inequity," White said.
Buzz Hazzard, a spokesman for ALPA at Delta, said ALPA as the world's largest pilot union "provides a value to our members that no other pilot union can." "We've got to focus on the 95 percent of the issues that we agree on and can work together on and not focus on the 5 percent of issues that can tear apart a union," Hazzard said.
link to full story at AJC:
Delta pilots union chief aims for bigger arena | ajc.com
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Moak, chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association at Delta for five years, is running for the position of national president of Washington-based ALPA International.
The election is scheduled for Wednesday.
While at Delta, Moak has gained a reputation as a strategist who works closely with airline management to strike deals -- including a labor deal in advance of Delta's announcement of its 2008 merger with Northwest Airlines.
In his bid for the top job at ALPA's national headquarters, Moak is up against three other candidates, including incumbent John Prater. An election for new leadership at Delta's ALPA unit will come in November.
Moak was not available for an interview about either his aspiration to the national office or the state of Delta's ALPA group, whose members are watching a burgeoning industry recovery with an eye toward richer prospects for future contract negotiations. The Delta pilots contract becomes amendable at the end of 2012.
Moak told pilots in a memo late last month that "we can be cautiously optimistic that we will be negotiating a contract with a healthy, profitable company, a situation that has not existed in over ten years and a situation which some on our seniority list have never experienced."
There is some discord within the Delta pilot group, however. An effort to form an independent pilots union to take over representation of the Delta pilots from ALPA is being led by former Northwest and current Delta pilot Tim Caplinger.
Caplinger said he is leading a campaign to collect authorization cards for a representation election to replace ALPA at Delta with a group called the Delta Pilots Association.
ALPA, which represents pilots at about 38 airlines, has conflicted interests because it "is supporting the regional air carriers as well as the low-cost carriers and the international carriers that are all competing for our routes," Caplinger said.
Pilots at American and Southwest have independent unions, but the obstacles to unseating ALPA are daunting.
Some discord is a vestige of the Delta-Northwest pilot group integration, according to Delta pilot Jim White, an ALPA supporter. "Anytime there's a merger, there's always a perceived slight or inequity," White said.
Buzz Hazzard, a spokesman for ALPA at Delta, said ALPA as the world's largest pilot union "provides a value to our members that no other pilot union can." "We've got to focus on the 95 percent of the issues that we agree on and can work together on and not focus on the 5 percent of issues that can tear apart a union," Hazzard said.
link to full story at AJC:
Delta pilots union chief aims for bigger arena | ajc.com
10-09-2010, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
"We've got to focus on the 95 percent of the issues that we agree on and can work together on and not focus on the 5 percent of issues that can tear apart a union," Hazzard said.
Carl
10-09-2010, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Yeah, I've heard that ALPA is possibly concocted by aliens from Uranus. Guess you can't be too careful either way.
Carl
Carl
Carl;
I think its klingons from uranus.
10-09-2010, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
After leading Delta Air Lines pilots through the carrier's bankruptcy and its mega-merger with Northwest, Lee Moak is aiming for higher altitudes.
More business news
Moak, chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association at Delta for five years, is running for the position of national president of Washington-based ALPA International.
The election is scheduled for Wednesday.
While at Delta, Moak has gained a reputation as a strategist who works closely with airline management to strike deals -- including a labor deal in advance of Delta's announcement of its 2008 merger with Northwest Airlines.
In his bid for the top job at ALPA's national headquarters, Moak is up against three other candidates, including incumbent John Prater. An election for new leadership at Delta's ALPA unit will come in November.
Moak was not available for an interview about either his aspiration to the national office or the state of Delta's ALPA group, whose members are watching a burgeoning industry recovery with an eye toward richer prospects for future contract negotiations. The Delta pilots contract becomes amendable at the end of 2012.
Moak told pilots in a memo late last month that "we can be cautiously optimistic that we will be negotiating a contract with a healthy, profitable company, a situation that has not existed in over ten years and a situation which some on our seniority list have never experienced."
There is some discord within the Delta pilot group, however. An effort to form an independent pilots union to take over representation of the Delta pilots from ALPA is being led by former Northwest and current Delta pilot Tim Caplinger.
Caplinger said he is leading a campaign to collect authorization cards for a representation election to replace ALPA at Delta with a group called the Delta Pilots Association.
ALPA, which represents pilots at about 38 airlines, has conflicted interests because it "is supporting the regional air carriers as well as the low-cost carriers and the international carriers that are all competing for our routes," Caplinger said.
Pilots at American and Southwest have independent unions, but the obstacles to unseating ALPA are daunting.
Some discord is a vestige of the Delta-Northwest pilot group integration, according to Delta pilot Jim White, an ALPA supporter. "Anytime there's a merger, there's always a perceived slight or inequity," White said.
Buzz Hazzard, a spokesman for ALPA at Delta, said ALPA as the world's largest pilot union "provides a value to our members that no other pilot union can." "We've got to focus on the 95 percent of the issues that we agree on and can work together on and not focus on the 5 percent of issues that can tear apart a union," Hazzard said.
link to full story at AJC:
Delta pilots union chief aims for bigger arena | ajc.com
More business news
Moak, chairman of the Air Line Pilots Association at Delta for five years, is running for the position of national president of Washington-based ALPA International.
The election is scheduled for Wednesday.
While at Delta, Moak has gained a reputation as a strategist who works closely with airline management to strike deals -- including a labor deal in advance of Delta's announcement of its 2008 merger with Northwest Airlines.
In his bid for the top job at ALPA's national headquarters, Moak is up against three other candidates, including incumbent John Prater. An election for new leadership at Delta's ALPA unit will come in November.
Moak was not available for an interview about either his aspiration to the national office or the state of Delta's ALPA group, whose members are watching a burgeoning industry recovery with an eye toward richer prospects for future contract negotiations. The Delta pilots contract becomes amendable at the end of 2012.
Moak told pilots in a memo late last month that "we can be cautiously optimistic that we will be negotiating a contract with a healthy, profitable company, a situation that has not existed in over ten years and a situation which some on our seniority list have never experienced."
There is some discord within the Delta pilot group, however. An effort to form an independent pilots union to take over representation of the Delta pilots from ALPA is being led by former Northwest and current Delta pilot Tim Caplinger.
Caplinger said he is leading a campaign to collect authorization cards for a representation election to replace ALPA at Delta with a group called the Delta Pilots Association.
ALPA, which represents pilots at about 38 airlines, has conflicted interests because it "is supporting the regional air carriers as well as the low-cost carriers and the international carriers that are all competing for our routes," Caplinger said.
Pilots at American and Southwest have independent unions, but the obstacles to unseating ALPA are daunting.
Some discord is a vestige of the Delta-Northwest pilot group integration, according to Delta pilot Jim White, an ALPA supporter. "Anytime there's a merger, there's always a perceived slight or inequity," White said.
Buzz Hazzard, a spokesman for ALPA at Delta, said ALPA as the world's largest pilot union "provides a value to our members that no other pilot union can." "We've got to focus on the 95 percent of the issues that we agree on and can work together on and not focus on the 5 percent of issues that can tear apart a union," Hazzard said.
link to full story at AJC:
Delta pilots union chief aims for bigger arena | ajc.com
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