Delta Pilots Association
10-10-2010, 07:09 PM
#971
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Joined APC: Mar 2009
Position: ATL MD-88A
Posts: 2,874
Originally Posted by scambo1
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Although not directed at me, I'll take a whirl: What I have seen at former NWA base(s) is the majic marker graffiti that says something to the effect of
"ALPA the only union not recognizing DOH"
While this may not be directly related to DPA, "perception is reality" and "there's a little truth in everything."
Again, this DPA thing is not the same as USAPA, but there is likely some root in SLI dissatisfaction IMO.
Although not directed at me, I'll take a whirl: What I have seen at former NWA base(s) is the majic marker graffiti that says something to the effect of
"ALPA the only union not recognizing DOH"
While this may not be directly related to DPA, "perception is reality" and "there's a little truth in everything."
Again, this DPA thing is not the same as USAPA, but there is likely some root in SLI dissatisfaction IMO.
As for the graffiti... I'll take your word for it. (Although I have not seen it.) But even so, I don't see how you make the connection that it is a "root" issue with DPA. Again, the AJC article we are discussing could easily leave the reader with that impression. I think this is inaccurate reporting and misleading.
10-10-2010, 07:22 PM
#972
The Brown Dot +1
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 777B
Posts: 7,775
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Again, I would ask you to point to anything from DPA that talks about SLI dissatisfaction being part of the "root" of why the organization was started. I have found nothing of the sort. Their web site is full of reasons as to why they think DPA would be a better choice for our pilot group. Dissatisfaction with the SLI is not one of them.
As for the graffiti... I'll take your word for it. (Although I have not seen it.) But even so, I don't see how you make the connection that it is a "root" issue with DPA. Again, the AJC article we are discussing could easily leave the reader with that impression. I think this is inaccurate reporting and misleading.
As for the graffiti... I'll take your word for it. (Although I have not seen it.) But even so, I don't see how you make the connection that it is a "root" issue with DPA. Again, the AJC article we are discussing could easily leave the reader with that impression. I think this is inaccurate reporting and misleading.
I'll have an open mind that SLI has nothing to do with DPA if you have an open mind that it might. Hows that.
10-10-2010, 07:57 PM
#973
GAME ON!!!!
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 131
Originally Posted by scambo1
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Elmer;
While I agree with much of what you posted, what I have yet to grasp is how all the negatives - except for $23M going out for $9M worth of representation - changes with DPA.
Elmer;
While I agree with much of what you posted, what I have yet to grasp is how all the negatives - except for $23M going out for $9M worth of representation - changes with DPA.
And lets be clear, some of the $23M would be going out (to ALPA) also with DPA.
Most, or at least many pilots don't really care about impressions, they care about facts. Convince me, by not using crisis du jour examples, that DPA is going to save our bacon. Whats the plan?
10-11-2010, 03:51 AM
#976
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,235
Originally Posted by Elmer Fudd
The DPA MEC & officers would be acting with the DAL pilot's interests in mind. Their focus would be more "local" instead of operating through a national structure that is detached from the line pilot. (Lavish parties, new cars, $500k a year salaries, etc) They wouldn't have to confer with our regionals before making a scope decision. We would have the leeway to chart our own course, instead of sharing representation with other groups with conflicting interests.
To ALPA....maybe, maybe not. Yes, there would be "overhead" expenses, for professional negotiators, lawyers, etc. but nothing near $23 million. The possibility exists to get great services at reduced dues, since we wouldn't be subsidizing a bloated Natl structure or subsidizing other airlines.
Go to the DPA web site & get informed. www.delta-pilots.org There's a lot of info there, that will give you an idea of their intentions. E-mail them any questions that you have & then make up your mind. If you're happy with what you have now, stay with it.
To ALPA....maybe, maybe not. Yes, there would be "overhead" expenses, for professional negotiators, lawyers, etc. but nothing near $23 million. The possibility exists to get great services at reduced dues, since we wouldn't be subsidizing a bloated Natl structure or subsidizing other airlines.
Go to the DPA web site & get informed. www.delta-pilots.org There's a lot of info there, that will give you an idea of their intentions. E-mail them any questions that you have & then make up your mind. If you're happy with what you have now, stay with it.
Last edited by 757upspilot; 10-11-2010 at 04:20 AM. Reason: added dues info
10-11-2010, 04:26 AM
#978
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,113
Originally Posted by 757upspilot
The IPA is currently at 2.25% Dues which may go higher as we enter negotiations.
I'm no economist, but it seems to me that economies of scale would dictate that a smaller union would need to get more dues for an equivalent level of service. This is a problem if you're trying to market such a union. I guess you just slash your introductory price by 50% and hope you get customers.
10-11-2010, 04:41 AM
#979
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,235
Originally Posted by Sink r8
How interesting... Thanks for sharing.
I'm no economist, but it seems to me that economies of scale would dictate that a smaller union would need to get more dues for an equivalent level of service. This is a problem if you're trying to market such a union. I guess you just slash your introductory price by 50% and hope you get customers.
I'm no economist, but it seems to me that economies of scale would dictate that a smaller union would need to get more dues for an equivalent level of service. This is a problem if you're trying to market such a union. I guess you just slash your introductory price by 50% and hope you get customers.
UPS to Dal should give you a good idea.
10-11-2010, 05:35 AM
#980
Works Every Weekend
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: 737 ATL
Posts: 3,506
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
If we were going to have an effective union that had a voice on the scale of ALPA, we would need to have at least a 1.95% due rate.
You will need to create your own MCF as well.
You will need to create your own MCF as well.
It is a horrible idea and it should be refunded to the pilots immediately.
That money is nothing but "golden handcuffs".
It makes ALPA afraid of any confrontations with management because they are afraid of losing it in a lawsuit. It paralyzes any progress toward resolving the conflict of interest at ALPA National because they are afraid of losing the MCF in a DFR lawsuit.
Plus the fact that they will NEVER spend that money. Too many high paid pencil pushers and paper shufflers in Herndon depend on the care and feeding of that fund for their livelihoods. If the bankruptcies of every major carrier and the loss of all our pensions was not a "major contingency" then those words have no meaning.
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