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10-11-2010, 01:27 PM
#991
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I would agree with Carl if their own MEC was the one that forced the mainline to give up the flying.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Carl, you want to argue that pilots should just not work in aviation for these wages, and that is a great idea, but the laws of economics and human nature are working against you.
Carl
10-11-2010, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
If we were going to have an effective union that had a voice on the scale of ALPA, we would need to have at least a 1.95% due rate.
You will need to create your own MCF as well.
You will need to create your own MCF as well.
Carl
10-11-2010, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
The MCF is what's causing a lot of the problems at ALPA National.
It is a horrible idea and it should be refunded to the pilots immediately.
That money is nothing but "golden handcuffs".
It makes ALPA afraid of any confrontations with management because they are afraid of losing it in a lawsuit. It paralyzes any progress toward resolving the conflict of interest at ALPA National because they are afraid of losing the MCF in a DFR lawsuit.
Plus the fact that they will NEVER spend that money. Too many high paid pencil pushers and paper shufflers in Herndon depend on the care and feeding of that fund for their livelihoods. If the bankruptcies of every major carrier and the loss of all our pensions was not a "major contingency" then those words have no meaning.
It is a horrible idea and it should be refunded to the pilots immediately.
That money is nothing but "golden handcuffs".
It makes ALPA afraid of any confrontations with management because they are afraid of losing it in a lawsuit. It paralyzes any progress toward resolving the conflict of interest at ALPA National because they are afraid of losing the MCF in a DFR lawsuit.
Plus the fact that they will NEVER spend that money. Too many high paid pencil pushers and paper shufflers in Herndon depend on the care and feeding of that fund for their livelihoods. If the bankruptcies of every major carrier and the loss of all our pensions was not a "major contingency" then those words have no meaning.
This!
Carl
10-11-2010, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
While I personally am not completely happy with the SLI, there is NO WAY I would ever support reopening that can of worms. The arbitrator made the decision and it is what it is. As far as I am concerned my hope is that the combined company with thrive and the benefits will outweigh any perceived loss I feel.
Carl
10-11-2010, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Who brought Sophia Loren into the debate?
... just illustrating how easy it is to distract pilots.
... just illustrating how easy it is to distract pilots.
Carl
10-11-2010, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
If we were going to have an effective union that had a voice on the scale of ALPA, we would need to have at least a 1.95% due rate.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
You will need to create your own MCF as well.
10-11-2010, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
While I personally am not completely happy with the SLI, there is NO WAY I would ever support reopening that can of worms. The arbitrator made the decision and it is what it is. As far as I am concerned my hope is that the combined company with thrive and the benefits will outweigh any perceived loss I feel.
10-11-2010, 03:17 PM
#999
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Originally Posted by 757upspilot
Lets say 23mil won't cover it. You need to talk with APA to get their numbers. Like I indicated we at UPS are paying 2.25% which may go higher during negotiations.
We give $23 million to NATL & use $9 million. That's over A MILLION A MONTH SURPLUS. I thing we can figure it out.
Are you suggesting that we just stay with ALPA, & that if we have expenses that exceed our dues collected that we just let other airlines (UAL, CAL, etc) pay for it?
10-11-2010, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Elmer:
Your match does not include all of our expenses. How much has ALPA national paid to defend and settle litigation brought by and against Delta pilots and ALPA on cases that directly involve the Delta & NWA MEC?
Your match does not include all of our expenses. How much has ALPA national paid to defend and settle litigation brought by and against Delta pilots and ALPA on cases that directly involve the Delta & NWA MEC?
If we have our own union, those will be OUR costs. Apples to Apples comparisons need to include everything.
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