Carl Spackler

Spoken like a true DALPA/ALPA/management type. This post is totally false and a complete mischaracterization of what the NMB is about. But isn't it sad to see what is likely DALPA's position PRIOR to negotiations. Don't even bother bringing up the fact that you'd like SWAPA's scope language because, after all: "the NMB is smart enough to understand that SW management has never wanted RJ's."

This is so sad. Whatever excuse that can be used, no matter how tortured, make sure to use it to ensure that we don't use SWAPA for any comparative purposes. I'm only less depressed because I'm absolutely convinced that this level of managerial apology only exists within a small minority of line pilots and most of DALPA.

Carl

Boomer

Christopher Reeve - Man of Steel.

Right...

shiznit

I still haven't seen that mission statement or a cogent strategy to achieve any goals.


Not factual. It could be done in a matter of 4 months max if there was sufficient support from the "DPA party", and there is NOTHING that National can do about it. The ALPA National C&BL is where to reference the rules and timelines to use the rules to your advantage.
Not factual. The funding we get is calculated the same way other "Group A" carriers are funded. Additionally DALPA is a Group A carrier and can influence a LOT of what goes on at National. If ALPA National undertook any action that "penalized" DAL, it would result in a DFR lawsuit.
Again, NOT factual. RJ scope can only protect them at their own certificate/operator, they do not and will not have a seat at the table when the mainline NC discusses scope with mainline management.
ALPA CAN change. It has changed for the worse in your (and other's) opinion(s), but who are you to say it cannot be turned around? Many things DPA supporters want on the constructive side is being done already at other carriers. (and yet much of what they want to accomplish has NOT occurred at those airlines who have gone independent.)
I agree with you. Honestly I do.

ALPA has lost its way in some areas. And losing the last attempts at Skywest and JetBlue are evidence of that. But I believe that pilots in general have lost their way also, and the people who decide to take up union work come from the pilot group at large. It takes more time to "unscrew" the situation than it took to "screw" up the situation, so I have not given up yet.

One of the biggest parts of that failure is in communication. ALPA spews lots of information, but it's not true communication unless the the person receiving the information comprehends what the sender is trying to say, and there lots and lots of people who either don't comprehend, don't know, don't care, or choose to ignore what has happened and what the union can control and what is beyond their purview to affect. Problem is, that isn't being clarified, and the attempts to do so (while as genuine as they might be) are falling short of making the connection to a 1/4 of the "average line guys".


I have not been given any evidence that DPA will be better for my paycheck and working conditions than ALPA. Regardless, I will support the bargaining agent in place at my airline, no matter the what the name over the door reads.

Jaws2

One of the biggest parts of that failure is in communication. ALPA spews lots of information, but it's not true communication unless . . .



There is a bigger communication failure at ALPA. Communication is about building and fostering relationships. Blasting out lots of information is not communication. Right now the relationship ALPA has with the Delta pilots is poor. Trust is low, listening is poor, give and take is rare; the ALPA leadership is trying to run the Union like unions were run in the past, ie, "Trust us, we know what is best for you and what you need to know."

Sorry, those days are gone. That is not the real world.

DAL 88 Driver

+1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

FlyingViking

One of many reasons to change..

76drvr

Has the DPA posted the video from the Atlanta meeting yet?

Where can I read up on their by-laws?

FlyingViking

Www.deltapilotassociation.com

76drvr

I went to their website, I couldn't find their by-laws or the video they promised. Could you be more specific where it can be found?

Found this.

Transform DPA - Delta Pilots Association

forgot to bid

That was a website that was designed to retaliate for this: Transform ALPA - Delta Air Lines Pilots Association

It's like the website version of the Carl Spakler vs Carl Spackler weirdo thing.

What you're looking for is: Delta Pilots Association - Hot Topics or http://www.delta-pilots.org/dpa-docs-members-only/