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Old 12-17-2011 | 07:05 PM
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I think it's fair to say that the DALPA politicos who massage the message have used up their last taco of trust with the slot swap thing.

Even the fence sitters are crabby about this one.

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Old 12-17-2011 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Take the DPA discussion to the DPA thread... I swear it's every couple of days I have to say that. Come on!
Your wish is my command!

So about the expiring cards thing. I sent my original card in August of 2010. This August, I was flying with an F/O who was a DPA guy. I asked him about my card expiring. He conveniently had a card with him. I filled it out, wrote "renewal" on the top, and he offered to take it and mail it in for me. Piece of cake.

It would be very easy to go to the DPA web site, print out a card, and send it in. With this latest slot swap fiasco and it becoming ever more clear that DALPA does not represent our best interests... I would encourage any and all to send in a card. If you've already sent one in and it has expired or is getting close to expiring.... go to the web site, print it out and send it in. If you haven't already sent one in... go to the web site, print it out and send it in.

Take the few minutes it takes to do this. It's only your career. And DALPA is not effectively representing us.
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Old 12-17-2011 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by nerd2009
Gomer,

Excellent perspective, and very timely
I agree.... While ALPA clearly has problems (conflict of interest issues are paramount in my view), comparatively speaking, DALPA has done very well for the DAL pilots post 9-11. The rest of the industry must move rapidly toward the SWA contract paradigm, or I am afraid they will inevitably be falling back towards the rest of the industry.
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Old 12-17-2011 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Your wish is my command!

So about the expiring cards thing. I sent my original card in August of 2010. This August, I was flying with an F/O who was a DPA guy. I asked him about my card expiring. He conveniently had a card with him. I filled it out, wrote "renewal" on the top, and he offered to take it and mail it in for me. Piece of cake.

It would be very easy to go to the DPA web site, print out a card, and send it in. With this latest slot swap fiasco and it becoming ever more clear that DALPA does not represent our best interests... I would encourage any and all to send in a card. If you've already sent one in and it has expired or is getting close to expiring.... go to the web site, print it out and send it in. If you haven't already sent one in... go to the web site, print it out and send it in.

Take the few minutes it takes to do this. It's only your career. And DALPA is not effectively representing us.
You rock, my soon to be polar dwelling brethren.

I just hope the other guys that have sent theirs in will take the time to renew them as well. I'm afraid there may be a big backslide in actual cards as the year comes up.
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Old 12-18-2011 | 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Shiz,

That sounds good to me. I was thinking that the date the pilot recieves his "system seniority" woud be the date for effective Delta longevity.

As for pilots getting pass benefits ... Delta has hired very few pilots since 2001 (when the outsourcing exploded. In the mean time thousands of rampers, gate agents and managers came on board at Delta from DCI with their DCI longevity intact. How's it that no one complains about several thousand DCI employees going ahead of us?
Then I want my 2000 DOH at Coex (became Express Jet and now merged with ASA and is still Express Jet) to count for Delta longevity.

Can I have that or is this something only a new hire from ASA and Comair would get?
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Old 12-18-2011 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
I think it's fair to say that the DALPA politicos who massage the message have used up their last taco of trust with the slot swap thing.

Even the fence sitters are crabby about this one.

Nu
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As a group, we spread the flying out amongst our brothers and sisters:

220 Flight Segments

202 or 92% Regional
18 or 8% Mainline

By type:
14 MD88 (MIA, NAS, RSW)
4 B737 (DEN)

E145 110 (ALB, BGR, BTV, CAE, CHO, CLE, GSO, GSP, IAD, ILM, MHT, ORF, PHL, RIC, ROA, SDF, SYR, YHZ, YOW, YUL)
CRJ700 38 (BNA, BTV, CLT, MYR, PIT, RDU, ROC, STL, SYR)
E170/175 30 (DFW, IAH, IND, JAX, MCI, MKE, PIT)
CRJ900 22 (BUF, MKE, PIT)
CPJ 2 (RIC)
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Old 12-18-2011 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Then I want my 2000 DOH at Coex (became Express Jet and now merged with ASA and is still Express Jet) to count for Delta longevity.

Can I have that or is this something only a new hire from ASA and Comair would get?
I was thinking the day that they accepted their system seniority number by ratifying their merger. But details like this would be up to the pilots' Reps, once it was decided that something like this was to be done.

WHAT I DON'T GET, is why Delta took several thousand senior DCI Gate Agents, Rampers and Managers, gave them better DOH for pass benefits than pilots from DCI got and no one said a word. Why are we more worried about pilots getting something than other employee groups?


As for this slot swap, ALPA does not control how jets are allocated. That was management's decisiion. I say, tell management next time you see them, how unhappy you are. As far as I'm concerned, we don't need an SPC to get us fired up. I'm already eager to give my negotiating committee my strike authorization vote.
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Old 12-18-2011 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
I was thinking the day that they accepted their system seniority number by ratifying their merger. But details like this would be up to the pilots' Reps, once it was decided that something like this was to be done.

WHAT I DON'T GET, is why Delta took several thousand senior DCI Gate Agents, Rampers and Managers, gave them better DOH for pass benefits than pilots from DCI got and no one said a word. Why are we more worried about pilots getting something than other employee groups?
The company has the right to do that at will just as much as if they wanted to merge us with a freight company that all of the other employees would have to put up with new employees over them even if they're not in their particular departments.

Imho, nobody complained probably because a) they didn't know and b) nothing could be done about it.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
As for this slot swap, ALPA does not control how jets are allocated. That was management's decisiion. I say, tell management next time you see them, how unhappy you are. As far as I'm concerned, we don't need an SPC to get us fired up. I'm already eager to give my negotiating committee my strike authorization vote.
DALPA does not control how jets are allocated.

But they own the PWA and they recommended the pilot group vote it in.

Hence the need to Tebow for used and relatively new 717s. Our PWA as it is now is not going to take back scope and we're not sure a C2012 TA will do it either although we can hope.

But with 717s the company has a perfect airplane to deploy on a lot of markets and cut into the outsourcing just as much as high fuel prices will cut into DCI outsourcing 50 seaters.

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Old 12-18-2011 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
DALPA does not control how jets are allocated.

But they own the PWA and they recommended the pilot group vote it in.
DALPA also owns the subsequent scope related LOA's, MOU's and the refusal to even grieve the RAH scope violation. And they recommended the pilot group vote in these LOA's and MOU's too...Oh wait.

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Old 12-18-2011 | 11:57 AM
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Carl,

You have to understand why we did not grive the RAH scope violation (another instance where the DPA observes the patient with a fever and prescribes the wrong medicine).

OBJECTIVE PATHOLOGY :

In our scope model, we think we benefit from outsourcing. The savings from outsourcing makes Delta more profitable and we pilots more highly paid. Cut throat competition amongst DCI carriers is what drives that savings.

Republic is competitor that lowers costs. In ALPA's way of thinking, that is good for us.

DPA's MIS-DIAGNOSIS :

DPA alleges ALPA's "conflict of interest" caused this disease as a result of a secret alliance with regional pilots to undermine mainline bargaining. However, in this case the pathogen is represented by Teamsters, not ALPA.

CORRECT DIAGNOSIS :

Outsourcing is a form of dis-unity which undermines both regional and mainline interests. Republic is no different than any other outsourced vendor. The body will only return to health when all of its parts are restored to is.

The DPA has got to stop prescribing leg casts for patients presenting signs of cancer. Ineffective treatment will get ineffective results.
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