The AirTran Pilots' Windfall and SLI
12-18-2010, 06:22 AM
#91
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
This merger will be just like the other recent mergers. SW will integrate the operations as quickly as possible. The seniority list will go to binding arbitration. End of story.
12-18-2010, 06:28 AM
#92
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Originally Posted by mastercraft
While I do truly appreciate your sound and unbiased reasoning, I still disagree.
Yes I KNOW AAI negotiated the new contract with some sort of coordination with LUV, as I stated previously.
As far as the judge is concerned, the contract that was in force on Sept 27 was a contract too!
You seem to see it as coincidence that a group that voted 98% in favor of strike after 5+ years of mediation, fighting against one of the indutry's most aggressive and oppresive managements, suddenly made friends with their management two weeks after the acquisition was announced and got a TA.
Reality check- without this announcement, the AT pilots would still be in mediation (though probably on ice until after the new year) and would still be wishing SWA would come to save them...even if that meant a staple!
Yes I KNOW AAI negotiated the new contract with some sort of coordination with LUV, as I stated previously.
As far as the judge is concerned, the contract that was in force on Sept 27 was a contract too!
You seem to see it as coincidence that a group that voted 98% in favor of strike after 5+ years of mediation, fighting against one of the indutry's most aggressive and oppresive managements, suddenly made friends with their management two weeks after the acquisition was announced and got a TA.
Reality check- without this announcement, the AT pilots would still be in mediation (though probably on ice until after the new year) and would still be wishing SWA would come to save them...even if that meant a staple!
12-18-2010, 06:31 AM
#93
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine
If anyone out there could offer me a 60% payraise, better schedule, and more domicile choices with a stable established company I'D STAPLE MYSELF RIGHT F'N NOW.
Honestly, hand me the cash and the stapler.
Why is everyone so hooked up on seniority issues only? There's a lot that goes into this equation, and seniority is only one part of it.
Honestly, hand me the cash and the stapler.
Why is everyone so hooked up on seniority issues only? There's a lot that goes into this equation, and seniority is only one part of it.
I'm sure you'll tell me that SWA is immune to future pay cuts, and you might be right, but I wouldn't bet my seniority on it.
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12-18-2010, 11:57 AM
#96
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Because pay rates change (sometimes in the wrong direction). Seniority doesn't.
I'm sure you'll tell me that SWA is immune to future pay cuts, and you might be right, but I wouldn't bet my seniority on it.
I'm sure you'll tell me that SWA is immune to future pay cuts, and you might be right, but I wouldn't bet my seniority on it.
That would certainly maintain both sides' "carreer expectations:"
AirTran expectation: 737 Captain at X pay
Southwest expectation: 737 Captain at Y pay
The merits of this idea notwithstanding, does anyone know if the unions can negotiate that sort of thing, or are they only allowed to agree on the list itself?
12-18-2010, 02:31 PM
#98
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You guys are starting to confuse the SLI with the JCBA.
SLI is where we are on the list. JCBA is everything else, just like any other airline. The JCBA won't be done until the list is done.
Can't have one union trying to negotiate a contract for two pilot groups. You are begging for a DFR lawsuit.
SLI is where we are on the list. JCBA is everything else, just like any other airline. The JCBA won't be done until the list is done.
Can't have one union trying to negotiate a contract for two pilot groups. You are begging for a DFR lawsuit.
12-18-2010, 03:08 PM
#99
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Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL
The JCBA won't be done until the list is done.
Better do the contract first or you could end up like USAir.
The Airtran guys are not likely to go for list first. If they "win" the arbitration they might never see the list go into effect. It would be Nicolau all over again.
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