Considering AA is at bankruptcy level payrates already and still not making money, management needs to pull their heads out of their rear ends and make it happen. Employees are not there to fund inadequate financial planning.

 

Lemme guess - you moonlight as sound-bite writer for airline management lackeys?? I mean really, it's apparent you've never been confronted with said "bk predicament"...or if you have, you've soon forgotten all the valuable lessons to be gleaned.

Let the goons threaten to lock the doors, then offer to buy the padlock. ANYTHING given away under (perceived) duress will NOT come back for a decade.

 

Like I said but maybe you missed it even though you quoted it, I read it to mean if they give him 25% he'll think about giving in. Not like we haven't seen that or been there before. I was pointing out that with the NWA comment. I never said it was Carl but his pilot group. They got at least 50%+1 to buy into that even after they supposedly hated Mesaba's Avro. Always love those go away comments. Does it ever work?

 

The best plan for scope is to put all jets on mainline property. For that matter, if it says American on the paint, it should be an American aircraft, or DAL or US Air, etc.... Then work out the payrates associated with the seat size. No outsourcing.

 

Ahh.........the "divide and conquer" beverage is offered, with a fear chaser I see too.

LOL !!!

Sorry pal, but most of the captains I talk to are not on your capitulation train whistlestop tour. Time to go down the hall and tell your superiors this tack failed as well.

You're not getting many points for originality.

 

You're missing the point.

The POINT is, it's gotten SO BAD here that far too many are ready to take their chances with BK if it comes to that vs. getting dunked once again in the 2003 pupster trough. You're probably right......THE GAME IS OVER.

Since you're NOW arguing AMR is all but certain to file for Chapter 11 protection, then it matters little what AA pilots do at this point. So then, tell me why again agreeing to any CBA that is MASSIVELY concessionary would be of any use except to management ?

Before you answer, confer with your bosses as well and try and do better then your deskmate Tomahawk.

 

me thinks stbloc is confused. one minute saying take the deal, then saying game over. I don't get it??????

 

My guess is he's new and was reading from the wrong page of his copy of "Strategies and Responses" disseminated by the Psy-ops team.

Perhaps the lighting is bad in the Media war room at CP ?

 

Eric, grudges held because of what you did not get in this career are obvious. (if you are a major airline pilot, past posts tell me you more than likely have not been hired at the major level) Your past posts say that loud and clear. What your background is I have no idea (because as you stated in a previous post " I will not say who I work for") but what you present in your post is off the cuff anger and misguided. What you intended? I hope not, but all the same don't be surprised when people call you out and character assassinations. Carl and I disagree on a lot of things but he is not out to sell out his peers.

 

Originality, really! That's just the thing, we aren't talking originality, this topsy-turviness has been going on for the entire history of commercial aviation. Some here seem to think they've cornered the market on "deserviness" (I'm aware that's not in the dictionary) and think they could out-managed the current leadership. Here's a novel idea, publicly state 5 concrete proposals here that would give us everything folks here believe we deserve, drive consistent profits years and year and position AA at the top of the industry for the foreseeable future. Anyone willing to rise to the challenge?

I've been in this very spot early in my career with all the same anger being expressed here.

As a relatively new FO in 1990-91, I remember receiving a letter from the senior leadership to the effect that I'd be a captain in 5-6 years during contract negotiations. I was a full-fledge member of the entitlement club. I wanted mine and didn't much care how the company would pay for it. Of course I would not become a captain in 5-6 years, actually turned out to be 10.5 years. Of course we went on to hire most of the folks posting here in the fast moving late nineties.

I walked the picket line in the 1997 contract dispute. So where did I make the turn? As I've gotten older and hopefully a bit wiser, I've come to realize that absent a viable, consistently profitable and sustainable enterprise, I had no long-term future nor do any of us!

The tenor of this board is primarily about what we as a pilot group deserve. There's very little if any mention of the 65,000plus other employees here. It's truly the ultimate in elitism and I have been just as guilty of it in the past. I see no sense from the group here that all 75,000plus employees at AA and AE are in this together!

I will say it again, all the bluster and chest pumping will not result in some utopian outcome where we get everything we want regardless of the cost!

Maybe many of you don't appear to really care about a great pension and are living for the moment. But I'll take a good(doesn't have to be the top) income, good working conditions and a solid retirement any day!