rvr350

Negotiation on the surface appears to be two sides fighting for material gains for their perspective side. But deeper from the surface, it shows the card that each side is showing, or not showing to the other player. DALPA wants to play along, get on mgmt's good graces, and extract whatever we can, as long as the company's healthy. Remember "Trust, but verify"? From mgmt's perspective, they want to totally "reset" the value of a DL airline pilot, one TA at a time. If they know they can throw a dog bone of this size and we'll bite on it, do you think they'll offer a steak to us next time?

Sorry to get on a tangent, but to answer your question. I would say the company would rather give up their 787 slots, than sunsetting their prized E175/CRJ900. It's the value of a threat, and also a good distraction to extract more from us when it comes down to Section 6.

The RJ predicament is much more than generating revenue for mgmt, it's about spreading fear, promote division among pilot group.

johnso29

Sorry, but SWA scope is BS argument. It's pretty dang easy to "hold the line" when management NEVER tries to move it. SWA pilots haven't done squat in this regard.

SailorJerry

Skywest pilots won't sacrifice puppies for Herb and Colleen to fly a CRJ painted like a bowling shoe.

Rolf

Iceland air, ATA, Westjet (thank you, IT department), Volaris and briefly Skywest thru AT. SWA has tested the water. Scope was the big issue during our last sec 6 because of what the legacies taught us. Certain lessons stick, like scope or peeing on an electric fence.
I haven't read your ta scope, so don't take this as a commentary on its merit.

Boomer

In other words:

With the TA, 450 RJs in 2015 (325 are large RJs)

Without the TA, 410 RJs in 2019 (255 are large RJs)

Without the TA, 366 RJs in 2020 (255 are large RJs)

As far as RJs, it looks like the TA is great for a little while then starts to suck worse than what you already have.

johnso29

Did SWA fly to Iceland, Hawaii, Canada, or Mexico when these Codeshares were implemented? Did they have aircraft capable of going to Iceland or Hawaii? Did any of these Codeshares end because SWA pilots demanded it? The Skywest RJs were operated on a pro rata(at risk/no guaranteed profit) contract, so I that's not a test of scope IMO because it was likely a loss for Skywest.

My point being, SWA pilots have never faced the same pressure as Legacy pilots. Please don't take this as an insult, but it's a fact.

SailorJerry

The reality is that once they've made the investment in the CRJ-200s they could sign short term deals on them because they'll need the seat capacity. Why would you invest 1.5 billion in new motors and then park your 1.5 billion dollar asset?

80ktsClamp

Why would you invest 1.5 billion in obsolete airplanes?

forgot to bid

^^^^ probably has something to do with the fact you're wanting to outsource even more of them in order to hopefully upgrade to the 717.

forgot to bid

Amen.

The financial benefits of whipsawing are such that we'd never see those planes even if our costs were lower than the aggregate costs of the lowest low ball bidder.