Bill Lumberg

Funny stuff. The seat limit (76) has stayed the same. There is also a weight limit. People say there will be MORE outsourcing, even though the math doesn't agree with that. 200 RJs leaving, 70 coming. That means fewer "outsourcing" jobs. Tighter international scope, and domestic scope with Alaska Air. 717s that will add jobs and add routes back to mainline that were lost when 737-200s and 727s were parked. Improved work rules, better sick time program, an early out program, and to top it off, almost a 20% raise in 2 1/2 years. Sorry, but you are the one who needs to re-read this TA.

Wait, are you a United guy? Please clean up your own house first, and then get to negotiating. Good luck!

ColdWhiskey

The honorable Continental pilots have held the line at 50 seat jet RJs. That may be hard to maintain in the UCAL merger (especially with the Delta 'Lumbergs' trying so hard to give up more 76s).

80ktsClamp

76 seaters are more profitable which help with profit sharing!

Oh.. we gave up 33% of ours to "fund" meager pay rate increases while the company saves gobs of money through parking 50 seat RJ's which are going away anyways.

SailorJerry

They won't be able to. Not with LCC running around with what used to be 86 seat jets and AMR with an 1113c term sheet that rivals getting your balls shot off. Think of it this way. A CRJ is a CL-600. If you only look as far as the CL-600 part we're shedding a sizable amount of airframes in this deal. People get all wrapped around the axle that it's a 76 seat jet. Well yes. But it's the same jet as the 50 seat jet. It just has a couple fuselage plugs and some avionics and engine tweaks. Heck - even the engine is still a CF-34 at heart.

So don't fault us for our lousy negotiating because your company is mired in the badlands of a merger about to go bad. I mean - you do know how this whole section 6 RLA ALPA NMB labor thing works right? You realize that airline unions work as a COLLECTIVE bargaining agent. If you think you can demand so much more go ask RA or JS for it directly. You're obviously entitled enough to deserve it. Get real. If you're a Delta pilot this deal is good and is good for everyone on the list. If you're a UCAL pilot then you should be thanking us for being smart enough to negotiate small jet airframe swaps and top end hull counts. On top of the furlough protection and block hour ratio system we will have. I bet your crack management staff could have a few meetings about that and get back to you some time in October. Of 2013. Good luck.

Blows my mind how people can be so blind to the facts. Oh that's right because they spend so much time messing around chest thumping on here.

80ktsClamp

Hey, Sailor. What are those RJ's doing running around at LCC at mainline?

Yeah... those are facts, too.

johnso29

I hope you're source isn't the DPA pole.

johnso29

No they haven't. They haven't voted on anything that pushed for 51+ seat RJs. And why don't you go after UsAir? They already allow 80+ seats. Take a look at APA's proposal to UsAir management. 600 PLUS 69+ seat RJs! That's what the PILOTS are offering!! You're barking up the wrong tree.

johnso29

To be fair 80, the EMB190's are configured to 100 seats. But the CRJ900's and EMB170's being operated by regionals are configured to 80+ seats.

FIIGMO

Good points Johnso, we have enough issues to work on in-house without having to hear from our peer group when they cannot clean their own. The scope provisions from this TA are positive and not perfect by a longshot. We do have a responsibility to take a stand for our group as well as others with respect to RJ's and we did (some say not enough) DCI is shrinking period. All my peers at the other majors and legacies wish they had what we have and where we are headed when they evaluate their current positions.

acl65pilot

That's very pragmatic and I assume you hope for a mid term where we can fix a lot of this, correct?