Delta Representation Discussion
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It is interesting that Caplinger didn't write this one. It was far better written, and there was thick irony in him calling out ALPA for an emotional tirade... the guy he replaced has shown quite the propensity for emotional tirades. I do hope he does more writing for them. I could actually make it more than a couple lines in without rolling my eyes and moving on!
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From: DAL FO
He is the best example of DPA's belief that if we demand it loud enough, it will be true. Nearly every post of his is filled with ANGRY CAPS and lots of exclamation points!!!!!!!
The very fact that his name is attached to the DPA, publicly now, should give everyone pause. His deliberate mis-representation of our Duty Period Average (a different kind of DPA) was not a mistake. Jerry knows very well that our DPA is 5:15 for lineholders (not 5.) At that rate, it takes 15.24 days (not 20) to reach 80 hours, assuming you can't hold avg credit higher than that. He is spinning, promising, and saying anything he can think of to get guys to fill that card out.
I'll make it even clearer actually (and I'll do it in Jerry Fielding's real writing style) - HE IS LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is right about one thing. This is a business decision. The decision should be based on results in the real world, not a feel-good, empty promise to make all our dreams come true. We will keep trending towards his "goals" but we won't get there with the DPA.
Now that TC has teamed up officially with Jerry, I will never consider renewing my card. That dream team has disaster written all over it.
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Do a quick scan of the Hangar Talk section on the ALPA forum for some perspective on Captain Fielding's writing (ranting.)
He is the best example of DPA's belief that if we demand it loud enough, it will be true. Nearly every post is filled with ANGRY CAPS and lots of exclamation points!!!!!!!
The very fact that his name is attached to the DPA, publicly now, should give everyone pause. His deliberate mis-representation of our Duty Period Average (a different kind of DPA) was not a mistake. Jerry knows very well that our DPA is 5:15 for lineholders (not 5.) At that rate, it takes 15.24 days (not 20) to reach 80 hours, assuming you can't hold avg credit higher than that. He is spinning, promising, and saying anything he can think of to get guys to fill that card out.
He is right about one thing. This is a business decision. The decision should be based on results in the real world, not a feel-good, empty promise to make all our dreams come true. We will keep trending towards his "goals" but we won't get there with his plan for us.
He is the best example of DPA's belief that if we demand it loud enough, it will be true. Nearly every post is filled with ANGRY CAPS and lots of exclamation points!!!!!!!
The very fact that his name is attached to the DPA, publicly now, should give everyone pause. His deliberate mis-representation of our Duty Period Average (a different kind of DPA) was not a mistake. Jerry knows very well that our DPA is 5:15 for lineholders (not 5.) At that rate, it takes 15.24 days (not 20) to reach 80 hours, assuming you can't hold avg credit higher than that. He is spinning, promising, and saying anything he can think of to get guys to fill that card out.
He is right about one thing. This is a business decision. The decision should be based on results in the real world, not a feel-good, empty promise to make all our dreams come true. We will keep trending towards his "goals" but we won't get there with his plan for us.
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Yes, we absolutely do know that.
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Do a quick scan of the Hangar Talk section on the ALPA forum for some perspective on Captain Fielding's writing (ranting.)
He is the best example of DPA's belief that if we demand it loud enough, it will be true. Nearly every post of his is filled with ANGRY CAPS and lots of exclamation points!!!!!!!
The very fact that his name is attached to the DPA, publicly now, should give everyone pause. His deliberate mis-representation of our Duty Period Average (a different kind of DPA) was not a mistake. Jerry knows very well that our DPA is 5:15 for lineholders (not 5.) At that rate, it takes 15.24 days (not 20) to reach 80 hours, assuming you can't hold avg credit higher than that. He is spinning, promising, and saying anything he can think of to get guys to fill that card out.
I'll make it even clearer actually (and I'll do it in Jerry Fielding's real writing style) - HE IS LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is right about one thing. This is a business decision. The decision should be based on results in the real world, not a feel-good, empty promise to make all our dreams come true. We will keep trending towards his "goals" but we won't get there with the DPA.
Now that TC has teamed up officially with Jerry, I will never consider renewing my card. That dream team has disaster written all over it.
He is the best example of DPA's belief that if we demand it loud enough, it will be true. Nearly every post of his is filled with ANGRY CAPS and lots of exclamation points!!!!!!!
The very fact that his name is attached to the DPA, publicly now, should give everyone pause. His deliberate mis-representation of our Duty Period Average (a different kind of DPA) was not a mistake. Jerry knows very well that our DPA is 5:15 for lineholders (not 5.) At that rate, it takes 15.24 days (not 20) to reach 80 hours, assuming you can't hold avg credit higher than that. He is spinning, promising, and saying anything he can think of to get guys to fill that card out.
I'll make it even clearer actually (and I'll do it in Jerry Fielding's real writing style) - HE IS LYING!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is right about one thing. This is a business decision. The decision should be based on results in the real world, not a feel-good, empty promise to make all our dreams come true. We will keep trending towards his "goals" but we won't get there with the DPA.
Now that TC has teamed up officially with Jerry, I will never consider renewing my card. That dream team has disaster written all over it.
While he misspoke on the duty period average, at least in my category, there are a pile of 19 hour 4-day trips and 13:30 hour 3-day trips. That is not near 5:15 a day. You're routinely only getting 4:30 ADG instead of DPA.
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All I ask is everyone do some research on the "leadership" that DPA is putting forward. You may think ALPA sucks, but if DPA gets ahold of the reigns, we ain't seen nuthin' yet.
I'd be more impressed if they'd come out and say, as he was alluding to in his letter, that the Delta pilot needs to be unified "behind the winner." It's the only way forward.
I say if the DPA can't play their cards by the end of the year, they need to give it up. This sentiment is shared by many on this board, including Purple Drank, who is staunchly anti-anything-ALPA. A public statement from JF or TC to this effect would go a long way in showing me that they actually give a rat's behind about the pilot group - and that this is not the personal vendetta that it appears to be, by two notorious "angry" men.
Drop the cards by midnight on New Year's Eve or GTFO. Let's move on with more important things like actually achieving Jerry's goals in C2015.
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I still stand by the fact that Jerry was intentionally mis-representing our Duty Period Average. He was playing with fuzzy math, and I have no doubt that it was on purpose.
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Agreed, and that totally sucks and needs fixin'. However, remember that prior to C2012 there was no ADG and the trip you reference was only worth 10:30. We are making progress.
I still stand by the fact that Jerry was intentionally mis-representing our Duty Period Average. He was playing with fuzzy math, and I have no doubt that it was on purpose.
I still stand by the fact that Jerry was intentionally mis-representing our Duty Period Average. He was playing with fuzzy math, and I have no doubt that it was on purpose.
I deleted the email... would anyone mind posting the text of the letter?
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