Frontier vs. Spirit
07-13-2015 | 10:06 PM
#41
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Holy cow I want to wipe that stupid smug smile right off that stupid face. Thank the lord the rest of the delta pilots aren't as big a douchebag as this guy. This little weasel is not worthy of the term pilot, and was quite possibly picked on in high school. Let it out little man, get back at all those guys who gave you wedgies in high school.
07-14-2015 | 12:40 AM
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Im not sure why some of you guys are getting so ****ed off at WindowSeat. I like it here but if someone today was to ask me what airline they should go to, would you really tell them to come here (Spirit) over a Legacy? There is a lot more money to be made (as it stands now) at a legacy. Also, they don't meltdown when a few storms roll on in.....
Now, WindowSeat may think I don't have as much self respect as him but the only respect I need is from my daughter and wife and Spirit has allowed me to spend and enormous amount of time with them and that's what I'm concerned about, because to me that's what life's about
Now, WindowSeat may think I don't have as much self respect as him but the only respect I need is from my daughter and wife and Spirit has allowed me to spend and enormous amount of time with them and that's what I'm concerned about, because to me that's what life's about
07-14-2015 | 04:38 AM
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You don't have a choice to make until you get a job offer(s).
Do your homework on both, try to get at least one and, if you're fortunate enough to be hired by both, make a "pros v cons" chart or flip a coin. With low pay QOL is everything.
Once you get to one of these ULCCs don't get comfortable. Learn as much as you can and have some fun, but if total career earnings and international widebody flying are what you're looking for - keep the applications with the Legacies current, and work your contacts.
The Air Wisconsin pilots were once very happy flying BAE-146s out of Denver for jobs that topped at just north of 100K. They were home almost every night, and had a nice niche carved out for themselves. Some of the Major airline pilots gave them grief, but $100K was enough to live on and they were happy. Nobody's business but theirs. Then UAL filed.
All of a sudden the 146 went away, and commuting to PHL on our red-eye to start work a couple of hours after landing, in a CRJ for $100K (or less), took the polish right off that apple. The #1 pilot from their list jumped to F9 almost immediately.
The moral is: Figure out what's important to you, and go for it. But try and make every stop along the way someplace you'd hang your hat for the rest of your career - in case you have to or decide to.
I've got no answer to your question. It's a matter of personal choice. I came to F9 with plenty of total & jet PIC time, but no 121 time. I figured I'd get that box checked, and go to DAL or Alaska (the only two that appealed to me for my own reasons). I got here just before we announced the Airbus order (then 9/11 & Legacy bankruptcies happened), and was off to the races with a two year upgrade, a bunch of out-of-contract pay raises / bonuses, a PS ride to/from work in my car and a fun group of people to work with. I'm not leaving now - but that's just me.
Good luck & study hard!
Do your homework on both, try to get at least one and, if you're fortunate enough to be hired by both, make a "pros v cons" chart or flip a coin. With low pay QOL is everything.
Once you get to one of these ULCCs don't get comfortable. Learn as much as you can and have some fun, but if total career earnings and international widebody flying are what you're looking for - keep the applications with the Legacies current, and work your contacts.
The Air Wisconsin pilots were once very happy flying BAE-146s out of Denver for jobs that topped at just north of 100K. They were home almost every night, and had a nice niche carved out for themselves. Some of the Major airline pilots gave them grief, but $100K was enough to live on and they were happy. Nobody's business but theirs. Then UAL filed.
All of a sudden the 146 went away, and commuting to PHL on our red-eye to start work a couple of hours after landing, in a CRJ for $100K (or less), took the polish right off that apple. The #1 pilot from their list jumped to F9 almost immediately.
The moral is: Figure out what's important to you, and go for it. But try and make every stop along the way someplace you'd hang your hat for the rest of your career - in case you have to or decide to.
I've got no answer to your question. It's a matter of personal choice. I came to F9 with plenty of total & jet PIC time, but no 121 time. I figured I'd get that box checked, and go to DAL or Alaska (the only two that appealed to me for my own reasons). I got here just before we announced the Airbus order (then 9/11 & Legacy bankruptcies happened), and was off to the races with a two year upgrade, a bunch of out-of-contract pay raises / bonuses, a PS ride to/from work in my car and a fun group of people to work with. I'm not leaving now - but that's just me.
Good luck & study hard!
07-14-2015 | 05:40 AM
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You don't have a choice to make until you get a job offer(s).
Do your homework on both, try to get at least one and, if you're fortunate enough to be hired by both, make a "pros v cons" chart or flip a coin. With low pay QOL is everything.
Once you get to one of these ULCCs don't get comfortable. Learn as much as you can and have some fun, but if total career earnings and international widebody flying are what you're looking for - keep the applications with the Legacies current, and work your contacts.
The Air Wisconsin pilots were once very happy flying BAE-146s out of Denver for jobs that topped at just north of 100K. They were home almost every night, and had a nice niche carved out for themselves. Some of the Major airline pilots gave them grief, but $100K was enough to live on and they were happy. Nobody's business but theirs. Then UAL filed.
All of a sudden the 146 went away, and commuting to PHL on our red-eye to start work a couple of hours after landing, in a CRJ for $100K (or less), took the polish right off that apple. The #1 pilot from their list jumped to F9 almost immediately.
The moral is: Figure out what's important to you, and go for it. But try and make every stop along the way someplace you'd hang your hat for the rest of your career - in case you have to or decide to.
I've got no answer to your question. It's a matter of personal choice. I came to F9 with plenty of total & jet PIC time, but no 121 time. I figured I'd get that box checked, and go to DAL or Alaska (the only two that appealed to me for my own reasons). I got here just before we announced the Airbus order (then 9/11 & Legacy bankruptcies happened), and was off to the races with a two year upgrade, a bunch of out-of-contract pay raises / bonuses, a PS ride to/from work in my car and a fun group of people to work with. I'm not leaving now - but that's just me.
Good luck & study hard!
Do your homework on both, try to get at least one and, if you're fortunate enough to be hired by both, make a "pros v cons" chart or flip a coin. With low pay QOL is everything.
Once you get to one of these ULCCs don't get comfortable. Learn as much as you can and have some fun, but if total career earnings and international widebody flying are what you're looking for - keep the applications with the Legacies current, and work your contacts.
The Air Wisconsin pilots were once very happy flying BAE-146s out of Denver for jobs that topped at just north of 100K. They were home almost every night, and had a nice niche carved out for themselves. Some of the Major airline pilots gave them grief, but $100K was enough to live on and they were happy. Nobody's business but theirs. Then UAL filed.
All of a sudden the 146 went away, and commuting to PHL on our red-eye to start work a couple of hours after landing, in a CRJ for $100K (or less), took the polish right off that apple. The #1 pilot from their list jumped to F9 almost immediately.
The moral is: Figure out what's important to you, and go for it. But try and make every stop along the way someplace you'd hang your hat for the rest of your career - in case you have to or decide to.
I've got no answer to your question. It's a matter of personal choice. I came to F9 with plenty of total & jet PIC time, but no 121 time. I figured I'd get that box checked, and go to DAL or Alaska (the only two that appealed to me for my own reasons). I got here just before we announced the Airbus order (then 9/11 & Legacy bankruptcies happened), and was off to the races with a two year upgrade, a bunch of out-of-contract pay raises / bonuses, a PS ride to/from work in my car and a fun group of people to work with. I'm not leaving now - but that's just me.
Good luck & study hard!
Well, comparing an ULCC to a fee for Departure airline isn't really relevant
07-14-2015 | 07:14 AM
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Hey window meat,
Who am I?
I laughed at guys going to Southwest. Then the furloughs came. Then I cried about how I was getting payed less than LCC 737 pilots. Then there was bankruptcy. Some of my friends have been FOs for 20 yrs. Then we finally "caught up" to the LCC 737 pilots with our post bankruptcy contracts. Time to find someone else to try and belittle, so I can feel good about myself.
Go back and measure it again, cause I think it's still shorter than you want it to be. Besides, you're probably still flying RJs for Pinn sorry Endeavor, or you just got hired by someone. If youthink spreading your crap around here is gonna make it grow somehow, it's not.
Now, this thread is from a person looking for a Job.
Who am I?
I laughed at guys going to Southwest. Then the furloughs came. Then I cried about how I was getting payed less than LCC 737 pilots. Then there was bankruptcy. Some of my friends have been FOs for 20 yrs. Then we finally "caught up" to the LCC 737 pilots with our post bankruptcy contracts. Time to find someone else to try and belittle, so I can feel good about myself.
Go back and measure it again, cause I think it's still shorter than you want it to be. Besides, you're probably still flying RJs for Pinn sorry Endeavor, or you just got hired by someone. If youthink spreading your crap around here is gonna make it grow somehow, it's not.
Now, this thread is from a person looking for a Job.
07-14-2015 | 09:28 AM
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Both contracts are below industry standards. Both contracts should renegotiated in the near future.
I would not base my decision on either current contract.
As the one honest, helpful thing that has been said above, go to whichever one hires you first.
The single most important factor in quality of life is living in domicile. Take a good look at the domiciles and seniority in them. I won't speak for spirit, but for frontier, we have Denver, Chicago and Orlando.
I would not base my decision on either current contract.
As the one honest, helpful thing that has been said above, go to whichever one hires you first.
The single most important factor in quality of life is living in domicile. Take a good look at the domiciles and seniority in them. I won't speak for spirit, but for frontier, we have Denver, Chicago and Orlando.
07-14-2015 | 09:58 AM
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MCO opens up Sept. Two vacancies have gone out so far. 36 crews I believe after this second vacancy. The goal is to have roughly 150 crews by next summer. At the moment fairly Jr base, probably will stay that way
07-14-2015 | 11:44 AM
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Hey window meat,
Who am I?
I laughed at guys going to Southwest. Then the furloughs came. Then I cried about how I was getting payed less than LCC 737 pilots. Then there was bankruptcy. Some of my friends have been FOs for 20 yrs. Then we finally "caught up" to the LCC 737 pilots with our post bankruptcy contracts. Time to find someone else to try and belittle, so I can feel good about myself.
Go back and measure it again, cause I think it's still shorter than you want it to be. Besides, you're probably still flying RJs for Pinn sorry Endeavor, or you just got hired by someone. If youthink spreading your crap around here is gonna make it grow somehow, it's not.
Now, this thread is from a person looking for a Job.
Who am I?
I laughed at guys going to Southwest. Then the furloughs came. Then I cried about how I was getting payed less than LCC 737 pilots. Then there was bankruptcy. Some of my friends have been FOs for 20 yrs. Then we finally "caught up" to the LCC 737 pilots with our post bankruptcy contracts. Time to find someone else to try and belittle, so I can feel good about myself.
Go back and measure it again, cause I think it's still shorter than you want it to be. Besides, you're probably still flying RJs for Pinn sorry Endeavor, or you just got hired by someone. If youthink spreading your crap around here is gonna make it grow somehow, it's not.
Now, this thread is from a person looking for a Job.
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