Frontier vs. Spirit
07-21-2015, 07:42 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Not sure what you're talking about. No First Officer called me to go fly, and we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.
You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?
Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.
Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?
Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?
You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?
Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.
Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?
Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?
07-21-2015, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Not sure what you're talking about. No First Officer called me to go fly, and we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.
You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?
Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.
Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?
Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?
You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?
Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.
Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?
Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?
My statement was regarding this:
"Not sure how much opportunity and advancement is left in the legacies."
I just stated that it's just started, as in the opportunity and advancement at the legacies. Of course not all of them will have the base and/or aircraft you want.
07-22-2015, 02:41 AM
#73
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Not sure what you're talking about. No First Officer called me to go fly, and we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.
You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?
Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.
Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?
Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?
You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?
Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.
Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?
Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?
07-22-2015, 05:04 AM
#74
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.
Just because it's easy to avoid, doesn't mean there is no requirement. You accidentally answer the phone, you're going flying. Yes there are ways around that too, but the requirement exists. How could you possibly accidentally answer the phone? I don't know, but it seamed to happen a lot during the last furlough.
07-22-2015, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
Not sure what you're talking about. No First Officer called me to go fly, and we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.
You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?
Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.
Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?
Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?
You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?
Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.
Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?
Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?
07-22-2015, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Au contraire dumb bear...
Just because it's easy to avoid, doesn't mean there is no requirement. You accidentally answer the phone, you're going flying. Yes there are ways around that too, but the requirement exists. How could you possibly accidentally answer the phone? I don't know, but it seamed to happen a lot during the last furlough.
Just because it's easy to avoid, doesn't mean there is no requirement. You accidentally answer the phone, you're going flying. Yes there are ways around that too, but the requirement exists. How could you possibly accidentally answer the phone? I don't know, but it seamed to happen a lot during the last furlough.
I am a commuter and have picked up my phone several times to hear what they have to say regarding a junior assignment needing to be filled. Not once have they required me to fly.
07-22-2015, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod
Au contraire dumb bear...
Just because it's easy to avoid, doesn't mean there is no requirement. You accidentally answer the phone, you're going flying. Yes there are ways around that too, but the requirement exists. How could you possibly accidentally answer the phone? I don't know, but it seamed to happen a lot during the last furlough.
Just because it's easy to avoid, doesn't mean there is no requirement. You accidentally answer the phone, you're going flying. Yes there are ways around that too, but the requirement exists. How could you possibly accidentally answer the phone? I don't know, but it seamed to happen a lot during the last furlough.
07-22-2015, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Merlyn
I can't emphasize how much you need to know the contract. If you are junior manned smile and accept the trip. Then tell them they need to change the departure time because you are fly fishing in Wisconsin and need three days to report. You were not on reserve. there is NO three hour call out.
07-22-2015, 10:44 AM
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This is true, I cannot be required to fly a junior man assignment, unless I pick up the phone and they are specifically calling me to fly. I can't be JA on a call I make to scheduling, coming off the jet bridge, walking into the crew room, etc. I don't know about our big IROP, I was never called, I don't have experience in getting JA during that event. My experience so far with JAs have been minimal, I was "offered" one, I refused, they went on to the next guy.
Don't mistake my assertion about money as indication I'd like to settle for just a small raise in our next contract. I'm just saying I'm not going to chase hourly rates (even a higher W-2) of a legacy carrier and give up the QOL l enjoy at my ULCC.
Don't mistake my assertion about money as indication I'd like to settle for just a small raise in our next contract. I'm just saying I'm not going to chase hourly rates (even a higher W-2) of a legacy carrier and give up the QOL l enjoy at my ULCC.
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