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Old 07-18-2015 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ULLI
Nice figure. 150K comes out to be 95+ hours a month. Seems like you have to work for it to earn that much coin.

FYI F9's most recent CA award went 9/2007. Still not 2-3 year mark...yet. FOs bypassing is a huge drive behind the upgrades right now.
There have been some great responses finally on this thread. As it's been said many times before, go with who hires you first. Don't delay, you never know what can happen.

Spirit is hiring and will continue to hire for a long time. The stated goal is 300 aircraft, we're just over 80. We're not even halfway to our desired airline size. Orders are there to get us well over a hundred, so does that mean a merger? Who knows, air shows happen every year, new orders could always be announced.

The thing I like about the current ULCC situation is the opportunities that come along with growth. I have been on property a little over two years, I'm bidding in the upper 1/4 in base, every other month I'm getting my 3rd or 4th choice of line bidding. Opportunities are there to work in the training department, become a Chief Pilot or other management types. Not sure how much opportunity and advancement is left in the legacies.

Spirit is still small, has its problems, but the feel of this place is the same as I garnered from reading the book "Nuts" about the early days of Southwest. Could it happen? Who knows, it's a gamble and we'll only know it paid off when the morning of our 65th birthdays arrive. Until then, I'm enjoying the ride, enjoying the lifestyle and living it up while I'm still young enough to enjoy it.
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Old 07-18-2015 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
What's LTD?
Long term disability.
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Old 07-18-2015 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by nkbux
For the record...ive been here 3 and a half years (NK)....been in the left seat for almost a year and will make over 150k this year. QOL is top notch here and if your a family man its the best gig around. Highly doubt id be making this much coin at a legacy in the right seat. As far as retirement and LTD go, we desperatley need changes made in the next contract. Cant speak for f9 but upgrades at NK are still below the 3 year mark with no signs of slowing....for now
Good grief. Let's not forget STD, (short term disability for you who don't habla) as well.

There is no reason you should have to hold on to 210 hours (5ish years) of sick time just so you dont burn through 3 months of savings waiting for long term.

So many in this group are ignorant to the benefits other airlines have out there.

Read your emails from our reps(not just the ones updating you about their training status) and stay informed or get informed!


(Including scope, retirement or anything else not mentioned.)

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Old 07-18-2015 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
There have been some great responses finally on this thread. As it's been said many times before, go with who hires you first. Don't delay, you never know what can happen.

Spirit is hiring and will continue to hire for a long time. The stated goal is 300 aircraft, we're just over 80. We're not even halfway to our desired airline size. Orders are there to get us well over a hundred, so does that mean a merger? Who knows, air shows happen every year, new orders could always be announced.

The thing I like about the current ULCC situation is the opportunities that come along with growth. I have been on property a little over two years, I'm bidding in the upper 1/4 in base, every other month I'm getting my 3rd or 4th choice of line bidding. Opportunities are there to work in the training department, become a Chief Pilot or other management types. Not sure how much opportunity and advancement is left in the legacies.

Spirit is still small, has its problems, but the feel of this place is the same as I garnered from reading the book "Nuts" about the early days of Southwest. Could it happen? Who knows, it's a gamble and we'll only know it paid off when the morning of our 65th birthdays arrive. Until then, I'm enjoying the ride, enjoying the lifestyle and living it up while I'm still young enough to enjoy it.
Minor correction but I believe we're taking #74 (A321CEO) this week.
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Old 07-18-2015 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
Minor correction but I believe we're taking #74 (A321CEO) this week.
Is it only 74? Must've been thinking by the end of the year we'll be at 80.

Thanks for the correction.
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Old 07-18-2015 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
There have been some great responses finally on this thread. As it's been said many times before, go with who hires you first. Don't delay, you never know what can happen.

Spirit is hiring and will continue to hire for a long time. The stated goal is 300 aircraft, we're just over 80. We're not even halfway to our desired airline size. Orders are there to get us well over a hundred, so does that mean a merger? Who knows, air shows happen every year, new orders could always be announced.

The thing I like about the current ULCC situation is the opportunities that come along with growth. I have been on property a little over two years, I'm bidding in the upper 1/4 in base, every other month I'm getting my 3rd or 4th choice of line bidding. Opportunities are there to work in the training department, become a Chief Pilot or other management types. Not sure how much opportunity and advancement is left in the legacies.

Spirit is still small, has its problems, but the feel of this place is the same as I garnered from reading the book "Nuts" about the early days of Southwest. Could it happen? Who knows, it's a gamble and we'll only know it paid off when the morning of our 65th birthdays arrive. Until then, I'm enjoying the ride, enjoying the lifestyle and living it up while I'm still young enough to enjoy it.
The main difference between old Southwest and current Spirit is that Southwest at one time had great employee/management relations. Spirit has never had that.
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Old 07-18-2015 | 12:28 PM
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The relationship between Herb and his employees was probably akin to the relationship Ned has for his employees. Nevertheless, SWA's management/employee relationship seems to have soured and is now pretty much look every other airline.
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Old 07-21-2015 | 02:34 PM
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5 year CA at NK: $136 per hour

5 year FO at AA: $151 per hour

Yes more can be made by flying extra hours/picking up open time . . .
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Old 07-21-2015 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by shoelsch
5 year CA at NK: $136 per hour

5 year FO at AA: $151 per hour

Yes more can be made by flying extra hours/picking up open time . . .
And don't forget a healthy DC too!!!!!!

But the thread ISN'T about Spirit (or Frontier) vs. a legacy......
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Old 07-21-2015 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lobaeux
The stated goal is 300 aircraft, we're just over 80.
80 but still with an infrastructure for 36 planes. "Hi, Captain Jacobsen?" "Who's this?" "Yes, hi, this is First Officer Paisley from scheduling. We're junior manning you for a 'Dingo turn."

Not sure how much opportunity and advancement is left in the legacies.
Left? It's just starting.
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