Spirit low tier pilots
05-14-2016, 01:15 PM
#311
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
Originally Posted by northdakota
I think it is hilarious that all this "deep" talk is in the thread about Spirit pilots being low tier.
Lets talk about fuel calculations for diverting next.
Lets talk about fuel calculations for diverting next.
Low tier pilots always pull open decent when there is a decent without restrictions. You get down, when you get down. You slow down, when you slow down.
"Pilots, their own worst enemy since 1903"
Keep "flying it like you own it...."
05-14-2016, 02:21 PM
#312
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 211
Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey
Yes, there are many different ways, and I am continually amazed when I see ones used that don't make the most sense to me.
One is how often I see someone descending using an autopilot mode that is resulting in engine power being added (V/S mode with a value selected that results in needed engine power, with the associated 'Speed' FMA), and at the same time using speed brakes.
This is no different than driving a car with one foot on the gas while wanting to slow down, and using the other foot to push the brake.
I'm not at all suggesting this is you, just noting that I see it often.
One is how often I see someone descending using an autopilot mode that is resulting in engine power being added (V/S mode with a value selected that results in needed engine power, with the associated 'Speed' FMA), and at the same time using speed brakes.
This is no different than driving a car with one foot on the gas while wanting to slow down, and using the other foot to push the brake.
I'm not at all suggesting this is you, just noting that I see it often.
You know-
I've decided, for the most part, I don't really care what the new guy (girl) in the right seat chooses..... There's more than one way to skin a cat- and no better way to learn which fits when than to skin all the cats..... When the power comes up and speedbrakes are out.... The ECAM ding ALWAYS scares 'em..... (Fairly entertaining) and then they don't do that again.....
What I REALLY don't get is the climb from say, 300 to 350- "expedite...." Why not just OPEN or MANAGED and select .75 or .73 or whatever.... This thing where they spin the speed to .85 and use a high VS- ALWAYS gets ugly.... Decreasing A/S in the mid-high 30s.....
05-14-2016, 02:48 PM
#315
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 134
Originally Posted by Rainbows
Did someone say poor grammar? 
05-14-2016, 04:13 PM
#316
Banned
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: A320
Posts: 568
Originally Posted by NoAccoutrements
05-14-2016, 04:40 PM
#317
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,383
Originally Posted by SG1159
You know-
I've decided, for the most part, I don't really care what the new guy (girl) in the right seat chooses..... There's more than one way to skin a cat- and no better way to learn which fits when than to skin all the cats..... When the power comes up and speedbrakes are out.... The ECAM ding ALWAYS scares 'em..... (Fairly entertaining) and then they don't do that again.....
What I REALLY don't get is the climb from say, 300 to 350- "expedite...." Why not just OPEN or MANAGED and select .75 or .73 or whatever.... This thing where they spin the speed to .85 and use a high VS- ALWAYS gets ugly.... Decreasing A/S in the mid-high 30s.....
I've decided, for the most part, I don't really care what the new guy (girl) in the right seat chooses..... There's more than one way to skin a cat- and no better way to learn which fits when than to skin all the cats..... When the power comes up and speedbrakes are out.... The ECAM ding ALWAYS scares 'em..... (Fairly entertaining) and then they don't do that again.....
What I REALLY don't get is the climb from say, 300 to 350- "expedite...." Why not just OPEN or MANAGED and select .75 or .73 or whatever.... This thing where they spin the speed to .85 and use a high VS- ALWAYS gets ugly.... Decreasing A/S in the mid-high 30s.....
Well, I have with one guy. Liked to finger fukc the FCU and constant switch modes and adjust CI. Was horribly uncomfortable, lol
05-14-2016, 05:49 PM
#318
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 70
Originally Posted by Packrat
They had to design the airplane that way so low-time new hires paired with brand new ATPs wouldn't kill themselves and their passengers.
Originally Posted by ColdWhiskey
Yes, there are many different ways, and I am continually amazed when I see ones used that don't make the most sense to me.
One is how often I see someone descending using an autopilot mode that is resulting in engine power being added (V/S mode with a value selected that results in needed engine power, with the associated 'Speed' FMA), and at the same time using speed brakes.
This is no different than driving a car with one foot on the gas while wanting to slow down, and using the other foot to push the brake.
I'm not at all suggesting this is you, just noting that I see it often.
One is how often I see someone descending using an autopilot mode that is resulting in engine power being added (V/S mode with a value selected that results in needed engine power, with the associated 'Speed' FMA), and at the same time using speed brakes.
This is no different than driving a car with one foot on the gas while wanting to slow down, and using the other foot to push the brake.
I'm not at all suggesting this is you, just noting that I see it often.
Originally Posted by Chimpy
I've never seen that horrible technique.....
Well, I have with one guy. Liked to finger fukc the FCU and constant switch modes and adjust CI. Was horribly uncomfortable, lol
Well, I have with one guy. Liked to finger fukc the FCU and constant switch modes and adjust CI. Was horribly uncomfortable, lol
this is what happens when you have 2 yr upgrades. guys in the right seat just arent seeing different methods and techniques enough and then go to the left seat. if you are already a capt and you haven't seen someone do that then you weren't fo long enough.
05-14-2016, 06:01 PM
#320
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 1,577
Originally Posted by GangtaMoose
oh but they did. several carriers thrust idle open descended straight into the ground and killed people.
Exactly how does that work?
I mean short of having the AP off, an altitude set above your current alt (or below terrain), AND not leveling off on your own - in which case the open des is the least of your problems.
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