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Old 05-31-2016 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Crucero
Sounds like those who went to college 15 to 30 years ago don't have a current clue of how expensive college is today.

If you qualify for financial aid, it is because you are just getting by financially, and taking on any additional debt doesn't appeal to anyone in that situation.

If you don't qualify for financial aid, it is because you make descent money according to the financial aid qualification guidelines, so be prepared to fork out anywhere from $100 to $500 or more PER CREDIT hour!

A Bachelors Degree typically requires 120 credit hours , so do the math..
Finishes undergrad in 02, and grad school in 13. My oldest starts this summer. She is paying for the first two years herself and I will cover the last two (thanks to mil benefits). She was extremely worried about the costs, thought there was no way she could afford it. I believe she thought this way due to someone's hidden agenda out there to make college free. if you convince the general public it is an impossible feat that will lead to years if debt, then they will gladly swallow the pill when it comes to higher taxes to pay for everyone's college. That being said let us talk actual numbers. The college she is going to for nursing is a little more than 2k per year. That is less than 200/month. She will live with us or family so no rent will be required and food will be cheap. Then if she had to pay to finish her bachelors in state cost is about 10k per year. The total in tuition is about 25k. Whole I completely agree that it is more than it should cost, and this has been driven up due to extra administration at most colleges (and not more teachers) it is still affordable.
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Old 05-31-2016 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Crucero
Sounds like those who went to college 15 to 30 years ago don't have a current clue of how expensive college is today.

If you qualify for financial aid, it is because you are just getting by financially, and taking on any additional debt doesn't appeal to anyone in that situation.

If you don't qualify for financial aid, it is because you make descent money according to the financial aid qualification guidelines, so be prepared to fork out anywhere from $100 to $500 or more PER CREDIT hour!

A Bachelors Degree typically requires 120 credit hours , so do the math.

The argument that people pose when they ask if a degree is a necessity, is not because they are typically trying to avoid doing the work required to obtain it.

My experience in talking to a few guys wondering if it is worth getting a degree is that they are more concerned about the financial implications of pursuing a degree.

People have mortgages, special needs children, or take care of children already going to college. Obtaining a degree for many in this group means debt (or continued debt) is inevitable.

Is a degree important to be considered at a good legacy carrier? The proven and consistent answer is... YES!

Unfortunately, it seems like some believe that anyone asking about a degrees' worth are labeled as someone not wanting to do what is required to be competitive.

Keep in mind, it's more of a financial decision for some of them.
I went 30 years ago but like most my age just put kids through college so have a pretty good idea what it costs.
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Old 05-31-2016 | 07:59 AM
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What the Average College Grad Makes Right Out of College


Have a decent major, a basket weaving degree is worthless.
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Old 05-31-2016 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by WhatNow
I went 30 years ago but like most my age just put kids through college so have a pretty good idea what it costs.
You beat me to it. Those of us who went to college 20+ years ago have kids about to/going/recently went to college. We're acutely aware of college tuition.

I thank Sen Liz Warner (former college prof) and every other politician who pushes further liberalization of student loans. All of that student loan money sloshing around has driven up college tuition with a large chunk of the money going to administrators, professors, and unnecessarily lavish facilities.


It is a reality that a four year college degree is a critical square to fill if you want to fly at a legacy. It will be that way in five years and it will be that way in ten years. It will be that way in both times of pilot shortages and pilot surpluses. I don't see it changing any time soon. And in spite of all of the hype, there's not really a pilot shortage right now.
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Old 05-31-2016 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
Airhoss is so right. If there is a downturn in the industry or you lose your medical, you will be flipping burgers.

Practice, "would you like fries with that."
Do you get paid more if you have an aviation psychology degree when you're saying "would you like fries with that?"
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Old 05-31-2016 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by vpnksops
Do you get paid more if you have an aviation psychology degree when you're saying "would you like fries with that?"
*** is aviation psychology degree? All I am saying is set yourself up for multiple ways to succeed, want to be a dumb ass, skip college.
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Old 05-31-2016 | 08:34 AM
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https://youtu.be/919IA_Lj0Ko

Just gonna leave this right here......
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Old 05-31-2016 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
*** is aviation psychology degree? All I am saying is set yourself up for multiple ways to succeed, want to be a dumb ass, skip college.
******* would I know what that is? but people have it.

Plenty of people I know make a very nice living out of flying without a degree and invested very little compared to their degreed counterparts doing the same thing. With flow programs, why in the ******* would you get one?

You say if there's a downturn or what not, well then that person can collect unemployment for maybe 2 years depending on how bad it is and get that college degree they never got on the front end. Except now they're getting paid to attend school, with recall prospects should he/she decide the other career is not for them.
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Old 05-31-2016 | 09:10 AM
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Also when you're talking about a downturn, wouldn't getting a 4 year head start on some other dude give you a better cushion? Or do they furlough the non degrees pilots first?
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Old 05-31-2016 | 10:06 AM
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Look. You know you're going to have to get the degree. You can't rationalize your way out of this one. But there are ways to do it that aren't so expensive. 25K for an online degree sounds really costly to me. You can take as many classes as possible at a community college. Test out and get credit for others. Take night or weekend classes. Take some of the courses online. Get a useful degree in something that you're interested in. You can figure out a way to do this. A college degree is something you will always have, a job in aviation is not guaranteed. You have no idea what the future holds.
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