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Old 06-30-2008, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
It cracks me up how you guys suddenly oppose your MECs opinion and just a couple weeks ago you were behind them 100%.
An obvious point, but it bears mentioning. The merger discussions on this board are taking place between half a dozen Delta guys and a like number of Northwest guys. You can't infer that the posters here are representative of either group, any more than the posters on the ALPA boards are.

All this discussion is great; just don't take it too seriously. We're all going to be working together soon.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
An obvious point, but it bears mentioning. The merger discussions on this board are taking place between half a dozen Delta guys and a like number of Northwest guys. You can't infer that the posters here are representative of either group, any more than the posters on the ALPA boards are.

All this discussion is great; just don't take it too seriously. We're all going to be working together soon.
I completely agree and i typically try and make it a point that i say "some" Dal guys. i dont like to generalize because i know a few hotheads on hear represent a small minority of people. Most people in this industry are well educated and are extremely rational. It just amazed me that some people think they will have better negotiating power in the future if they vote "NO" to this now.

Just to clarify i dont mean to generalize the group and I look forward to working together soon also.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
If we do go with that dynamic list thingy for NWA to capture the retirements, then the slotting should be done in the future when we have a single operating certificate and more accurate fleet and pilot snapshots can be taken to define who brought what to the party.
I agree with everything you said above, but. Lord knows I haven't had any career expectations since 9/11. But ref above, I'm not sure how the logistics of that would work. The single certificate may take 6 months to a year after DCC. In the mean time the new company will be making all sorts of fleet plans that will have nothing to do with "us" anymore. Or, did I miss your point, I do that alot .

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It is incumbent upon the two MEC's to pull off a negotiated list. Arbitration will diminish the potential value this merger can put in all of our wallets.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:42 PM
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In the mean time the new company will be making all sorts of fleet plans that will have nothing to do with "us" anymore. Or, did I miss your point...
You got it right. Slowplay was in a dreamy world where he has his cake and eats it too.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:47 PM
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[QUOTE=Superpilot92;416025

Just to clarify i don't mean to generalize the group and I look forward to working together soon also. [/QUOTE]

I didn't intend to single you out; sorry if you took it that way. I just don't want this discussion to color anyone's perception of the other group. For every poster here, there are probably a hundred people reading it.

We'll have enough challenges after the merger without having to concern ourselves with a divided pilot group.

FWIW, I've spoken to a number of NWA and Delta guys (including MEC guys from both airlines), and I get the sense that our expectations for SLI are not too different.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
I didn't intend to single you out; sorry if you took it that way. I just don't want this discussion to color anyone's perception of the other group. For every poster here, there are probably a hundred people reading it.

We'll have enough challenges after the merger without having to concern ourselves with a divided pilot group.

FWIW, I've spoken to a number of NWA and Delta guys (including MEC guys from both airlines), and I get the sense that our expectations for SLI are not too different.
From what I've heard they were very close earlier this year.
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CVG767A
We'll have enough challenges after the merger without having to concern ourselves with a divided pilot group.

FWIW, I've spoken to a number of NWA and Delta guys (including MEC guys from both airlines), and I get the sense that our expectations for SLI are not too different.
I agree again, and i have heard the same in regards to the SLI. I hope we get this done asap so we can move forward together as 1 Large unified pilot group.
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Old 06-30-2008, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
I agree with everything you said above, but. Lord knows I haven't had any career expectations since 9/11. But ref above, I'm not sure how the logistics of that would work. The single certificate may take 6 months to a year after DCC. In the mean time the new company will be making all sorts of fleet plans that will have nothing to do with "us" anymore. Or, did I miss your point, I do that alot .
Until there is SOC, a Delta pilot can't fly a NWA aircraft and a NWA pilot can't fly a Delta aircraft. Delta is bringing on at least 16 aircraft in the next 9 months and will be hiring this fall. That hiring will continue after we merge. There will be more than the current 7400 pilots on Delta's list, and most likely fewer NWA pilots than the current 5300 due to retirements. If you want to capture the "slots" vacated by retirements, I want to capture the relative position provided by Delta's growth prior to our integration by doing the math at SOC. That works in reverse, too. Should Delta park MD-88's and require fewer pilots, I should move backwards, not you. If NWA parks the 742 fleet, NWA pilots should move backward as you lose that "premium" flying.

All I'm saying is we should integrate with what we brought to the dance, and neither side should cherry pick assumptions.

And I appreciate the civil tone you're taking, Ferd. Is a nice change from the cereal fruit flake that comments here.
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Is a nice change from the cereal fruit flake that comments here.
ROTFLMAO That's the funniest thing I have seen on this forum yet.

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Originally Posted by slowplay
Is a nice change from the cereal fruit flake that comments here.
Oh look, hes crying...
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