Not Exactly Eye-Watering
07-01-2008, 06:06 PM
#211
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Originally Posted by veni vidi vici
Spaceman,
As a fellow employee that has been reading your posts over the last few months I am stunned by your overall level of mistrust and negativity. I'm not trying to slam you, however, you represent a very vocal minority at DAL.
While I understand and expect some negative aspects to this merger in the short-term; I firmly believe that the pilots of the two combined carriers are in the best position, from an overall industry perspective, to prosper in the coming years.
It is easy to rush to judgment, to slam the process, or to point fingers at the other pilot group; however, as professionals we should keep a cool head until we have all the facts. We have a TA that is in print for us to review and we are awaiting an SLI. While I don't think this merger will pass without a few speed-bumps, it is happening and happening now. So if voting no makes you feel better then that is your right; however, you will be voting against 78% of DAL pilots that voted yes on LOA19. We are not hung up on what the other guys are getting that we are not, but more concerned with how to best position ourselves for the future. Fear and uncertainty bring out some defensive traits in people, however, that isn't a reason to degrade NWA pilots, after all we are DAL pilots!!!!
Over!
As a fellow employee that has been reading your posts over the last few months I am stunned by your overall level of mistrust and negativity. I'm not trying to slam you, however, you represent a very vocal minority at DAL.
While I understand and expect some negative aspects to this merger in the short-term; I firmly believe that the pilots of the two combined carriers are in the best position, from an overall industry perspective, to prosper in the coming years.
It is easy to rush to judgment, to slam the process, or to point fingers at the other pilot group; however, as professionals we should keep a cool head until we have all the facts. We have a TA that is in print for us to review and we are awaiting an SLI. While I don't think this merger will pass without a few speed-bumps, it is happening and happening now. So if voting no makes you feel better then that is your right; however, you will be voting against 78% of DAL pilots that voted yes on LOA19. We are not hung up on what the other guys are getting that we are not, but more concerned with how to best position ourselves for the future. Fear and uncertainty bring out some defensive traits in people, however, that isn't a reason to degrade NWA pilots, after all we are DAL pilots!!!!
Over!
If you are really a Delta pilot where is the ladies restroom in the crew lounge at Terminal 3 JFK?
07-01-2008, 06:10 PM
#212
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Both Committees did some really good work to make this fair and balanced. The NWA pilots are getting a "better" deal due to their relative position, but I'm not envious of my brother's gains and would not have it any other way.
The Delta pilots will not lose much if they vote this down, but what will they gain? 1 arbitrator instead of 3? An undermined MEC going into SLI?
If I thought holding this up would get us better scope, I'd try. But candidly I think scope is more of a priority to our NWA guys than it is us. The NWA side is clearly evident inasmuch as we adopted most of NWA's scope language and flow agreements.
I would like help for the inevitable commuting that this will cause after we get a single Certificate. I'd like to get Compass and their E175/E190 type on the property.
My vote went from an angry NO to a very pleasant YES after reading not only the JPWA but also the agreements on SLI process and the SLI No Prejudice letters.
Super92... you may be the #1 pilot in our airline some day. Glad it will be someone with your attitude (but don't go and get the big head).
The Delta pilots will not lose much if they vote this down, but what will they gain? 1 arbitrator instead of 3? An undermined MEC going into SLI?
If I thought holding this up would get us better scope, I'd try. But candidly I think scope is more of a priority to our NWA guys than it is us. The NWA side is clearly evident inasmuch as we adopted most of NWA's scope language and flow agreements.
I would like help for the inevitable commuting that this will cause after we get a single Certificate. I'd like to get Compass and their E175/E190 type on the property.
My vote went from an angry NO to a very pleasant YES after reading not only the JPWA but also the agreements on SLI process and the SLI No Prejudice letters.
Super92... you may be the #1 pilot in our airline some day. Glad it will be someone with your attitude (but don't go and get the big head).
07-01-2008, 06:15 PM
#213
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
johnso29...you can vote the way that's best for you.
DAL guys will do what's best for us.
DAL guys will do what's best for us.
I am going to enjoy this vote!! It will show the will of the Delta Pilot
07-01-2008, 06:32 PM
#214
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Both Committees did some really good work to make this fair and balanced. The NWA pilots are getting a "better" deal due to their relative position, but I'm not envious of my brother's gains and would not have it any other way.
The Delta pilots will not lose much if they vote this down, but what will they gain? 1 arbitrator instead of 3? An undermined MEC going into SLI?
If I thought holding this up would get us better scope, I'd try. But candidly I think scope is more of a priority to our NWA guys than it is us. The NWA side is clearly evident inasmuch as we adopted most of NWA's scope language and flow agreements.
I would like help for the inevitable commuting that this will cause after we get a single Certificate. I'd like to get Compass and their E175/E190 type on the property.
My vote went from an angry NO to a very pleasant YES after reading not only the JPWA but also the agreements on SLI process and the SLI No Prejudice letters.
Super92... you may be the #1 pilot in our airline some day. Glad it will be someone with your attitude (but don't go and get the big head).
The Delta pilots will not lose much if they vote this down, but what will they gain? 1 arbitrator instead of 3? An undermined MEC going into SLI?
If I thought holding this up would get us better scope, I'd try. But candidly I think scope is more of a priority to our NWA guys than it is us. The NWA side is clearly evident inasmuch as we adopted most of NWA's scope language and flow agreements.
I would like help for the inevitable commuting that this will cause after we get a single Certificate. I'd like to get Compass and their E175/E190 type on the property.
My vote went from an angry NO to a very pleasant YES after reading not only the JPWA but also the agreements on SLI process and the SLI No Prejudice letters.
Super92... you may be the #1 pilot in our airline some day. Glad it will be someone with your attitude (but don't go and get the big head).
07-01-2008, 06:34 PM
#215
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Originally Posted by Speedbird34
You are a fake If you are really a Delta pilot where is the ladies restroom in the crew lounge at Terminal 3 JFK?
If you are really a Delta pilot where is the ladies restroom in the crew lounge at Terminal 3 JFK?
07-01-2008, 07:24 PM
#216
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There is a crew lounge in terminal 3. We even get to use it some times when the roof is not caving in!!!
07-01-2008, 07:34 PM
#217
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There is a crew lounge in terminal 3. We even get to use it some times when the roof is not caving in!!!
That doesn't sound good!!! Then I guess there is no ladies bathroom....
07-01-2008, 09:14 PM
#218
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
That's easy. After LOA 19, DALPA had an incredible hammer. My previous posts outlining what could happen to NWA guys is probably what you recall as negative. DALPA could have made this very ugly - they didn't. Lee Moak said he wanted a joint agreement ASAP - he meant it.
I've always said we needed to wait and see what the actions of DALPA were versus listening to their words after LOA 19. I've seen their actions now, and I think they're stand up guys.
I guess getting a glimpse of what my future union is made of makes me feel more positive. Strange how that same glimpse makes you feel more negative.
Carl
I've always said we needed to wait and see what the actions of DALPA were versus listening to their words after LOA 19. I've seen their actions now, and I think they're stand up guys.
I guess getting a glimpse of what my future union is made of makes me feel more positive. Strange how that same glimpse makes you feel more negative.
Carl
. To me that shows a lack of character and honor.
They were the ones saying you NWA guys better get on board the trains leaving and DALPA is doing whats best for everyone you will see. And they were right we did see and that helped calm the room with some NWA guys who were skeptical. This will pass and hopefully the angry minority dont become the long term bitter guys nobody wants to fly with.Just like Carl said at points through this whole mess i was skeptical on DALPAs position and i am happy to say i shouldn't have been. Good on them and good on the NWA MEC for working together on ALL of our behalves.
07-02-2008, 03:58 AM
#219
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Originally Posted by newKnow
I get the feeling that there is no crew lounge in terminal 3 at JFK?
07-02-2008, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Good post! It is weird how "Some" of the DALPA followers stood behind their MEC all the way through the LOA 19 vote and suddenly when NWALPA and its pilots are being treated like equals by DALPA, some DAL guys turn their backs on THEIR and soon to be OUR union leadership To me that shows a lack of character and honor. They were the ones saying you NWA guys better get on board the trains leaving and DALPA is doing whats best for everyone you will see. And they were right we did see and that helped calm the room with some NWA guys who were skeptical. This will pass and hopefully the angry minority dont become the long term bitter guys nobody wants to fly with.
Just like Carl said at points through this whole mess i was skeptical on DALPAs position and i am happy to say i shouldn't have been. Good on them and good on the NWA MEC for working together on ALL of our behalves.
They were the ones saying you NWA guys better get on board the trains leaving and DALPA is doing whats best for everyone you will see. And they were right we did see and that helped calm the room with some NWA guys who were skeptical. This will pass and hopefully the angry minority dont become the long term bitter guys nobody wants to fly with.Just like Carl said at points through this whole mess i was skeptical on DALPAs position and i am happy to say i shouldn't have been. Good on them and good on the NWA MEC for working together on ALL of our behalves.
Character and honor! Big words young man so watch your words.
I have the right to disagree with you 100% and I have the right to vote NO or YES to a TA for whatever reason I feel is valid.
What makes you feel I voted for LOA19. It was not a 100% vote in support. Many guys did not vote to support it on principles which have zero to do with your pay raise and quality of life improvement and all that special rubbish you think we are getting as a result of the merger. The lifestyle of a US major Airline pilot is still way below world standards. Relax and let the struggle for better work conditions go through its normal process.
Fight and represent your veiws 100% and I love it. But leave honor or character out of it. If you attack my character or honor I am going to come right back at you and this site and thread will degenerate to trash talk in a heartbeat.
Even if this TA passes the worse thing that can happen is for it to pass 100% in favor. That just tells management we could have given them much less and it would still have passed.
Cheers and I understand your passion and desire to be part of this new merged Delta. I do not share that excitement. I am already a Delta pilot and I am already on my choice equipment in my choice Airline. The merger brings no noticeable improvement to my life personally. It just increases my job security risk. (IMHO)
Some people are so excited about their pay raises they are trying to brainwash or push their veiws with all sorts of statements. I am not buying.
The majority of Delta pilots do not even visit this site. So relax what will happen will happen and we will all learn to live with it. Maybe I would be proved wrong and this merger will turn out okey. But let me assure you if the merger fails even if I lose my job the next day I will still open a cold bottle of wine to celebrate. I sincerely feel we are better as a stand alone airline and this merger has being forced on us.
Hoping for the best and expecting the worse
Last edited by Speedbird34; 07-02-2008 at 04:33 AM.
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