Originally Posted by johnso29

Look around the industry and tell me where your leverage is. Aloha, Maxjet, EOS, SilverJet, Skybus, Skyway, Champion, and ATA have ALL SHUT their doors in the last year due to fuel prices. UAL is parking 100 airplanes and furloughing 950 pilots. CAL is parking 60 plus airplanes and doing everything to prevent furloughing. AA is slashing capacity, and most likely furloughing again(some never made it off the street), Southwest and AirTran are slowing/stopping growth, AirTran is threating to fire(NOT furlough, but FIRE) 100 probationary FOs. MidWest Express is parking ALL of its MD80s and furloughing. They want their guys to take a 50% pay cut with their 8 yr 717FOs making $37 hr.

The list goes on and on, yet you think that you can get more. Maybe you should be on the DALPA, because apparently those experienced guys who have been in this business much longer than you don't agree with you, otherwise I'm sure they would have not UNANIMINOUSLY AGREED to the TA. Clearly they think this is the best available, but maybe you should call them and tell them they have more leverage and to get back to the table.

Originally Posted by tsquare

This is interesting. You and superpilot sound almost desperate in your posts to the spliff. I'm not supporting what he says one way or the other, but it is interesting to me that as much grief as DAL was given for LOA 19, now that some are questioning the TA, you are trashing them for that. Not saying you are right wrong or indifferent. I am still digesting the TA myself. From what I have seen so far, it is extremely weak. And I'm not talking about pay here either. There are a lot of QOL items that seem to be blown off that might have been better addressed. I don't know the ramifications of turning down this deal yet and the effect it will have on the SLI process. I THINK they are not joined at the hip, but I will find out. After all, WE are going to live with this POS for probably another 8 years... So you better read it very carefully, and make sure you can live with it that long... because we all know how quick to negotiate management will be when/IF the company starts making lots of $ again...

Originally Posted by tsquare

This is interesting. You and superpilot sound almost desperate in your posts to the spliff. I'm not supporting what he says one way or the other, but it is interesting to me that as much grief as DAL was given for LOA 19, now that some are questioning the TA, you are trashing them for that.


Not saying you are right wrong or indifferent. I am still digesting the TA myself. From what I have seen so far, it is extremely weak. And I'm not talking about pay here either. There are a lot of QOL items that seem to be blown off that might have been better addressed. I don't know the ramifications of turning down this deal yet and the effect it will have on the SLI process. I THINK they are not joined at the hip, but I will find out. After all, WE are going to live with this POS for probably another 8 years... So you better read it very carefully, and make sure you can live with it that long... because we all know how quick to negotiate management will be when/IF the company starts making lots of $ again...

Originally Posted by Ferd149

PS Carl, thanks for the tip on multiple quotes. You geek youze

Originally Posted by tsquare

ROTFLMAO That's the funniest thing I have seen on this forum yet.

Gunga... gunga la gunga

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

and Spliff is even getting called out by fellow DAL guys

Originally Posted by Flare Armed

Carl,

This post will probably be lost in all the flames, but I am pretty pleased with the TA....once again, we get some improvements in a horrible economic environment while delivering on the promised parity. Many people predicted a DECREASE in the Letter 19 raises because of the recent changes in the economic environment...didn't happen.

I enjoyed reading about some of the NWA stuff...gives some insight into how complicated this merger is behind the scenes and I think our negotiators did a good job.

Also happy to see the flowback stuff extended to the entire pilot group.

Not sure how guys can be ****ed about a contract that gives them additional furlough protection (I was out for 3 years so I'm not some sheltered senior guy), 18% raises, increases in retirement, etc. etc.

Meanwhile I have family and friends getting furloughed in a matter of months and are worried about larger problems in their lives.

Keep whining "instant no voters". And for the guy who is so ticked at DAL and DALPA with 400 hours, I suggest you quit. Obviously this airline is not a good match for you and you'd be happier and better off somewhere else.

And to the NWA guys....I'm glad to see the parity happened. Maybe this will get some guys to get away from their unnecessary suspicions of our pilot group.

Here's to better days,

Originally Posted by veni vidi vici

Spaceman,
As a fellow employee that has been reading your posts over the last few months I am stunned by your overall level of mistrust and negativity. I'm not trying to slam you, however, you represent a very vocal minority at DAL.

While I understand and expect some negative aspects to this merger in the short-term; I firmly believe that the pilots of the two combined carriers are in the best position, from an overall industry perspective, to prosper in the coming years.

It is easy to rush to judgment, to slam the process, or to point fingers at the other pilot group; however, as professionals we should keep a cool head until we have all the facts. We have a TA that is in print for us to review and we are awaiting an SLI. While I don't think this merger will pass without a few speed-bumps, it is happening and happening now. So if voting no makes you feel better then that is your right; however, you will be voting against 78% of DAL pilots that voted yes on LOA19. We are not hung up on what the other guys are getting that we are not, but more concerned with how to best position ourselves for the future. Fear and uncertainty bring out some defensive traits in people, however, that isn't a reason to degrade NWA pilots, after all we are DAL pilots!!!!

Over!

Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff

Amazing how much more positive you are now, Carl. Why is that?