Not Exactly Eye-Watering
07-02-2008, 04:45 AM
#221
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
Good post! It is weird how "Some" of the DALPA followers stood behind their MEC all the way through the LOA 19 vote and suddenly when NWALPA and its pilots are being treated like equals by DALPA, some DAL guys turn their backs on THEIR and soon to be OUR union leadership 
. To me that shows a lack of character and honor.
They were the ones saying you NWA guys better get on board the trains leaving and DALPA is doing whats best for everyone you will see. And they were right we did see and that helped calm the room with some NWA guys who were skeptical. This will pass and hopefully the angry minority dont become the long term bitter guys nobody wants to fly with.[/SIZE]Just like Carl said at points through this whole mess i was skeptical on DALPAs position and i am happy to say i shouldn't have been. Good on them and good on the NWA MEC for working together on ALL of our behalves.
. To me that shows a lack of character and honor. They were the ones saying you NWA guys better get on board the trains leaving and DALPA is doing whats best for everyone you will see. And they were right we did see and that helped calm the room with some NWA guys who were skeptical. This will pass and hopefully the angry minority dont become the long term bitter guys nobody wants to fly with.[/SIZE]Just like Carl said at points through this whole mess i was skeptical on DALPAs position and i am happy to say i shouldn't have been. Good on them and good on the NWA MEC for working together on ALL of our behalves.This is a democracy! When the smoke clears we should shake hands and move on! Happiness is not the responsibility of your employer or fellow workers to provide. Most pilots have good mental health and will do fine no matter how this merger pans out in the long run
07-02-2008, 05:09 AM
#222
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Originally Posted by Speedbird34
You are a fake If you are really a Delta pilot where is the ladies restroom in the crew lounge at Terminal 3 JFK?
If you are really a Delta pilot where is the ladies restroom in the crew lounge at Terminal 3 JFK?(It's a rhetorical question, but you get the idea of how dumb your question is.)
07-02-2008, 05:33 AM
#223
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Originally Posted by Speedbird34
Having a different opinion has nothing to do with honor or character. The fact I am not happy Nalpa is trying to get one over on us as a pilot group has nothing to do with character or honor. Even if my feeling is wrong I have a right to it.
Character and honor! Big words young man so watch your words.
I have the right to disagree with you 100% and I have the right to vote NO or YES to a TA for whatever reason I feel is valid.
What makes you feel I voted for LOA19. It was not a 100% vote in support. Many guys did not vote to support it on principles which have zero to do with your pay raise and quality of life improvement and all that special rubbish you think we are getting as a result of the merger. The lifestyle of a US major Airline pilot is still way below world standards. Relax and let the struggle for better work conditions go through its normal process.
Fight and represent your veiws 100% and I love it. But leave honor or character out of it. If you attack my character or honor I am going to come right back at you and this site and thread will degenerate to trash talk in a heartbeat.
Even if this TA passes the worse thing that can happen is for it to pass 100% in favor. That just tells management we could have given them much less and it would still have passed.
Cheers and I understand your passion and desire to be part of this new merged Delta. I do not share that excitement. I am already a Delta pilot and I am already on my choice equipment in my choice Airline. The merger brings no noticeable improvement to my life personally. It just increases my job security risk. (IMHO)
Some people are so excited about their pay raises they are trying to brainwash or push their veiws with all sorts of statements. I am not buying.
The majority of Delta pilots do not even visit this site. So relax what will happen will happen and we will all learn to live with it. Maybe I would be proved wrong and this merger will turn out okey. But let me assure you if the merger fails even if I lose my job the next day I will still open a cold bottle of wine to celebrate. I sincerely feel we are better as a stand alone airline and this merger has being forced on us.
Hoping for the best and expecting the worse
Character and honor! Big words young man so watch your words.
I have the right to disagree with you 100% and I have the right to vote NO or YES to a TA for whatever reason I feel is valid.
What makes you feel I voted for LOA19. It was not a 100% vote in support. Many guys did not vote to support it on principles which have zero to do with your pay raise and quality of life improvement and all that special rubbish you think we are getting as a result of the merger. The lifestyle of a US major Airline pilot is still way below world standards. Relax and let the struggle for better work conditions go through its normal process.
Fight and represent your veiws 100% and I love it. But leave honor or character out of it. If you attack my character or honor I am going to come right back at you and this site and thread will degenerate to trash talk in a heartbeat.
Even if this TA passes the worse thing that can happen is for it to pass 100% in favor. That just tells management we could have given them much less and it would still have passed.
Cheers and I understand your passion and desire to be part of this new merged Delta. I do not share that excitement. I am already a Delta pilot and I am already on my choice equipment in my choice Airline. The merger brings no noticeable improvement to my life personally. It just increases my job security risk. (IMHO)
Some people are so excited about their pay raises they are trying to brainwash or push their veiws with all sorts of statements. I am not buying.
The majority of Delta pilots do not even visit this site. So relax what will happen will happen and we will all learn to live with it. Maybe I would be proved wrong and this merger will turn out okey. But let me assure you if the merger fails even if I lose my job the next day I will still open a cold bottle of wine to celebrate. I sincerely feel we are better as a stand alone airline and this merger has being forced on us.
Hoping for the best and expecting the worse
07-02-2008, 05:55 AM
#224
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
My comments where towards those who stood behind DALPA and their decisions and now suddenly when DALPA comes through with what they have been saying SOME people turn their backs on their reps. Why did you feel your reps were acting on your behalf before and NOW they arent? Answer that question for me if you dont mind.
In other words, why did you feel like your reps were not acting on your behalf before, and NOW they are?
You see, just because one agrees with his MEC one day, doesn't obligate him to continue doing so, and vice-versa.
07-02-2008, 05:59 AM
#225
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[QUOTE=Justdoinmyjob;416978]Gee, I was hired by DL in Jan 01 and I can't answer that question. If YOU are a DL pilot, how many computers were in the DEX crew room in MCO?
That was the Idea Just saying something funny to get everyone to laugh a little bit
That was the Idea Just saying something funny to get everyone to laugh a little bit
07-02-2008, 06:04 AM
#226
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
My comments where towards those who stood behind DALPA and their decisions and now suddenly when DALPA comes through with what they have been saying SOME people turn their backs on their reps. Why did you feel your reps were acting on your behalf before and NOW they arent? Answer that question for me if you dont mind.
The space man says it all. No big deal it will work out one way or another. The last thing we want is a 100% vote in favor. This TA is not that great!
07-02-2008, 06:37 AM
#227
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
Superpilot, let me ask you this...have you agreed with the stance your MEC has taken through this whole process? as far as my MEC goes, yes i stand behind them because they are my Reps and they have much more info then any of us have. I.e., opposition, truculence, obstructionism, and complaining, followed by unanimous approval of the TA? so you think because they fought for parity for all pilots involved and represented the NWA pilots through the whole process they are obstructionist and complainers? The NWA MEC has been around the block with all this and while YOU think they have been all of those things, in the end they have stood by their stance.
In other words, why did you feel like your reps were not acting on your behalf before, and NOW they are? I never said my reps werent acting on my behalf. My reps have always been upfront with me and they are very good about answering my questions everytime i contact them.
You see, just because one agrees with his MEC one day, doesn't obligate him to continue doing so, and vice-versa.
The NWA MEC has been around the block with all this and while YOU think they have been all of those things, in the end they have stood by their stance. In other words, why did you feel like your reps were not acting on your behalf before, and NOW they are? I never said my reps werent acting on my behalf. My reps have always been upfront with me and they are very good about answering my questions everytime i contact them.
You see, just because one agrees with his MEC one day, doesn't obligate him to continue doing so, and vice-versa.
07-02-2008, 07:01 AM
#228
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Originally Posted by Speedbird34
People change their position! And there are no permanent interest. That is politics. I heard the word posturing used a lot in the past.
The space man says it all. No big deal it will work out one way or another. The last thing we want is a 100% vote in favor. This TA is not that great!
The space man says it all. No big deal it will work out one way or another. The last thing we want is a 100% vote in favor. This TA is not that great!
I am typically a no vote on the first round but sometimes you just have to know when to take it and run. IF you look around the industry right now, the fact we are getting anything is a plus. Right now we just dont have enough negotiating power. Getting this done and making a strong pilot group and airline for all of us is worth far more than a couple extra bucks an hour IMHO. Now is the time to join up and start building up the warchest for the next round.
Vote how you see fit but at least get informed and go to the roadshows before you make your judgements. A few of you NO guys were screaming NO the day the announcement came out that both sides ratified this. That was before we even had much information and well before any roadshows so to say its a NO already just shows you are making uneducated decisions or your doing it because you never wanted NWA pilots to be treated as equals. Which is it?
07-02-2008, 07:14 AM
#229
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
just shows you are making uneducated decisions or your doing it because you never wanted NWA pilots to be treated as equals. Which is it?
It's much more complicated than those two options, I'm afraid. But by all means, continue to disparage those who are educating themselves on the issues, and whose decision about what's best for themselves differs from what's best for you.
For me, this TA is simply not good enough to be married to for the next four plus years. No browbeating, guilt-tripping, or cajoling on your part is going to change my mind.
Would you allow your position to be changed by a very gung-ho poster--whose circumstances are vastly different than your own--on an anonymous forum? Me neither.
Last edited by Spaceman Spliff; 07-02-2008 at 07:20 AM.
07-02-2008, 07:44 AM
#230
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spliff
Dude, your argument here is absolutely ridiculous. Talk about a red herring. You posts have picked up a marked sense of desperation. The logic you're using here is quite sloppy. .
.. I have no desperation bossman, my argument and attitude throughout this whole thing hasnt changed. Can you say the same? The only time i was skeptical was after you guys signed LOA 19 but I am happy to say I have been "educated" and it was proven that i shouldnt have been.
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