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04-05-2021, 07:43 AM

#401

captive apple

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Originally Posted by TommyDevito

Nope, not any of the above.

It's fun watching people making ridiculous claims on forums then they are unable to back them up when questioned and provided facts.

TommyDevito Do you feel like you have provided claims back up by fact?

04-05-2021, 08:08 AM

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TommyDevito

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Originally Posted by captive apple

TommyDevito Do you feel like you have provided claims back up by fact?

Go read the applicable guidance on maintenance programs, MMEL and MEL approvals. If I've stated something contrary to the guidance please point that out and we'll discuss.

Also, go look at the data from various ASAP and VDRP programs and look up MEL violations by aircrew. It's surprising how many times trained and qualified crews flew a plane without understanding how to use the MEL.

FAA Order 8900.1 contains much of the guidance suggested, and gives links to other applicable orders and Notices.

04-05-2021, 08:18 AM

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Swarley

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Originally Posted by TommyDevito

Nope, not any of the above.

It's fun watching people making ridiculous claims on forums then they are unable to back them up when questioned and provided facts.

Ah, I see you believe he actually thinks we fly unairworthy planes. Can you make sure and keep replying? Your comments kinda brighten my day.

04-05-2021, 10:14 AM

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TommyDevito

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Originally Posted by Swarley

Ah, I see you believe he actually thinks we fly unairworthy planes. Can you make sure and keep replying? Your comments kinda brighten my day.

Your welcome

04-07-2021, 04:38 PM

#405

Tankerds

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Originally Posted by TommyDevito

You'd be surprised how many pilots have no idea how an MEL actually works.

Always cracks me up when people think they’re so superior to their peers. Maybe green FOs don’t quite have a full grasp on MELs, but the vast majority of professional pilots do (even many CFIs).

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04-07-2021, 10:44 PM

#406

jetlag q

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Originally Posted by pangolin

The planes get fixed. They are safe. But they don’t take one out if service until they HAVE to. And then it screws the schedule.

from my experience the planes having issues also falls on the captains that see problems and say “ ahh mx will just sign it off anyway( even if that’s true, there’s a responsibility to have me look at the issue) and never write it up.

Then there’s the “ I don’t wanna **** the next crew and leave them holding the bag “

i’ve flown with fan vibes. The captain doesn’t want to write it up, the next captain says ahh I’m sure it’s nothing but I will check it in flight!

then as you can see in the above quote “ THEN IT MESSES WITH THE SCHEDULE “

04-08-2021, 04:10 AM

#407

TommyDevito

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Originally Posted by Tankerds

You would be surprised. I've seen many initial and recurrent/upgrade checks where the MEL is brought out and the Capt given a maintenance situation involving a deferrable item. As it progresses to a point of checking the in-depth knowledge of the MEL process the applicant's lack of knowledge becomes obvious.

Go look at the data from ASAP and VDRP on MEL issues as well.

04-09-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Claxstarr

Ever seen a plane with a butt load of little yellow stickers all over it?

Each one is an MEL.

You should definitely take a picture, post it to Instagram, #AA #AmericanAirlines #MesaAirlines #crappymaintaince #deathtrap

I'm sure nobody will notice.

04-12-2021, 09:10 AM

#409

RealOttoPilot

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Originally Posted by captive apple

And as I said if MESA was deliberately flying broken planes in and out of mx bases for 29 days deferring mx until day 29 as a cost savings technique, then the FAA would have already come down on them for that practice as they have other operators in the past. As I stated I don’t think they are doing that, but instead are poorly executing.

That is quite literally what every airline does. I’m confused now. If an MEL allows 10 days for repair, why on earth would it be an faa issue if they repaired it at the last legal moment? If the MEL states if the plane reaches an maintenance base it has to be repaired, then it will get fixed. But there aren’t many MELs like that. MESA like other airlines absolutely deliberately flies broken airplanes as cost saving techniques. That’s literally why the MEL program is in place

04-12-2021, 01:32 PM

#410

Avgeek7248

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Originally Posted by coodrough568

what Mesa does more than others is fly it to the last second, have a mechanic slap some speed tape on it, wrote fixed in the book. It breaks the next day, same process repeats. You can fix it right or defer, defer, defer until the entire plane basically needs a heavy check

No, Mesa doesn’t just “slap speed tape on it and call it a day.” The problem is the lack of solid mechanics paired with the aging fleet. 20 year old RJ’s are gonna break at a higher rate. As stated above every regional defers MELable items to maintain on time performance in the name of making the most revenue. Mesa’s problem is fleet age and lack of great mechanics.