Mesa issues warn notice to pilots
08-07-2020 | 05:41 AM
#111
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Again, you aren’t grasping reality here. The pilot groups had the power up until March. Now to be perfectly frank every single pilot group in the industry has lost all of its leverage. I’m looking out for keeping jobs right now, contract advancements are completely out of the window for the time being. In 5ish years time the pilot groups will have the power again, but until then you better get the lube ready and be glad you aren’t one of the 10K on the street with no hiring anywhere, 91, 91K, 135, 121, hell even CFI jobs are going to be damn near impossible to come across, there is going to be almost literally no openings and whatever few openings are there will have competition unlike anything you have ever seen. So take a step back and you tell your new hire FO setting next to you what kind of life he or she is going to have for the next 5 years. I’m assuming you are a capt like me, look out for the little guy during this time. Not just yourself. This half decade is not going to be easy, the gravy train has run out of fuel, and the coal ain’t being delivered anytime soon. You call them brothers and sisters, now act like it. I’m fully at the point now where I believe in terms of total economy hit this is going to be a depression. Small business is completely decimated, Main Street isn’t coming back, from there it’s just going to trickle up the food chair with larger and larger companies and industries going belly up. Strap in this is going to be in history books alongside the Great Depression someday.
08-07-2020 | 05:49 AM
#112
On Reserve
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As a 23 year old captain, no concessions. I'm not high enough in seniority, furlough might get me or I may survive but downgrade, regardless our pay is barebones, what more do you wanna take from us? If your seniority holds the line/reserve schedule then you'll be ok. I'm not giving in a single hour of min guarantee or hourly rate. Wanna look out for junior guys? Don't give in to concessions.
08-07-2020 | 06:12 AM
#113
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Amazon doesn’t have a job for everyone and the math doesn’t compute to being beneficial to you.
Amazon generously pays a minimum wage of $15/hr or $600/wk before taxes and deductions or about 30k a year if you never miss a day.
I made 50k/year translating into $20/hr at work.
Here is the kicker, I averaged 17 days off a month that year. Amazon offers less than half that.
If you really feel strongly about doing something that is personally worse feel free to do it, you will be succeeding in helping your fellow pilots by removing yourself from a pilot heavy payroll.
Amazon generously pays a minimum wage of $15/hr or $600/wk before taxes and deductions or about 30k a year if you never miss a day.
I made 50k/year translating into $20/hr at work.
Here is the kicker, I averaged 17 days off a month that year. Amazon offers less than half that.
If you really feel strongly about doing something that is personally worse feel free to do it, you will be succeeding in helping your fellow pilots by removing yourself from a pilot heavy payroll.
08-07-2020 | 06:35 AM
#114
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I think that an important distinction should be made in the conversation between contract concessions and a month-to-month LOA with temporary hour reductions, etc. that can be terminated by either party. Not stating an opinion one way or the other but a temporary, rolling LOA is a completely different animal in my mind than concessions.
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08-07-2020 | 06:36 AM
#115
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Amazon doesn’t have a job for everyone and the math doesn’t compute to being beneficial to you.
Amazon generously pays a minimum wage of $15/hr or $600/wk before taxes and deductions or about 30k a year if you never miss a day.
I made 50k/year translating into $20/hr at work.
Here is the kicker, I averaged 17 days off a month that year. Amazon offers less than half that.
If you really feel strongly about doing something that is personally worse feel free to do it, you will be succeeding in helping your fellow pilots by removing yourself from a pilot heavy payroll.
Amazon generously pays a minimum wage of $15/hr or $600/wk before taxes and deductions or about 30k a year if you never miss a day.
I made 50k/year translating into $20/hr at work.
Here is the kicker, I averaged 17 days off a month that year. Amazon offers less than half that.
If you really feel strongly about doing something that is personally worse feel free to do it, you will be succeeding in helping your fellow pilots by removing yourself from a pilot heavy payroll.
let’s look at year 2 FO at 60 hours. 60x38=2280, 2280x12=27360, 27360/52=526, 526<600. If they decide for lower rates the outcome will be much the same. Both of these will take decades to recover from as the company will always play hardball. So yea, I would rather work at Amazon for a few years and come back to higher income to fly a plane.
I’m sure min days off and short call reserve that you have to commute to will change your mind at 60hrs a month.
08-07-2020 | 06:39 AM
#116
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Amazon doesn’t have a job for everyone and the math doesn’t compute to being beneficial to you.
Amazon generously pays a minimum wage of $15/hr or $600/wk before taxes and deductions or about 30k a year if you never miss a day.
I made 50k/year translating into $20/hr at work.
Here is the kicker, I averaged 17 days off a month that year. Amazon offers less than half that.
If you really feel strongly about doing something that is personally worse feel free to do it, you will be succeeding in helping your fellow pilots by removing yourself from a pilot heavy payroll.
Amazon generously pays a minimum wage of $15/hr or $600/wk before taxes and deductions or about 30k a year if you never miss a day.
I made 50k/year translating into $20/hr at work.
Here is the kicker, I averaged 17 days off a month that year. Amazon offers less than half that.
If you really feel strongly about doing something that is personally worse feel free to do it, you will be succeeding in helping your fellow pilots by removing yourself from a pilot heavy payroll.
If you give concessions and then still get furloughed (it isn't different this time) not only will you have to take the other job but your 50K will be 40K when you get called back AND it will take a decade to get back to 50K again. Think past tomorrow.
08-07-2020 | 06:46 AM
#117
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2018
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I would rather be furloughed than any concessions. I’ve already taken a net $1500 a month hit going from line holder to reserve. That’s without having to have a crash pad.
Keep in mind that the vloa can go away any time the company decides to. So, if I secure a job that pays what this job does, I have to make a decision immediately to dump one or the other. If I’m furloughed I have a lot more time to figure that out.
At min credit there are a lot of options to find that will pay roughly the same. I’ll have less than 11 days off a month, and I’ll be home for every one of them. Someone mentioned 17 days off, that ain’t happening on reserve.
Concessions won’t mitigate a furlough. They’ll kick the can down a couple months, that can will go off a cliff that will take five years to get back, at a minimum, depending where we are on contract negotiations.
Making nothing and being obligated to nothing is better than making $2500 and losing the ability to find other employment. That’s where I’m at.
Keep in mind that the vloa can go away any time the company decides to. So, if I secure a job that pays what this job does, I have to make a decision immediately to dump one or the other. If I’m furloughed I have a lot more time to figure that out.
At min credit there are a lot of options to find that will pay roughly the same. I’ll have less than 11 days off a month, and I’ll be home for every one of them. Someone mentioned 17 days off, that ain’t happening on reserve.
Concessions won’t mitigate a furlough. They’ll kick the can down a couple months, that can will go off a cliff that will take five years to get back, at a minimum, depending where we are on contract negotiations.
Making nothing and being obligated to nothing is better than making $2500 and losing the ability to find other employment. That’s where I’m at.
08-07-2020 | 06:59 AM
#118
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These sorts of comments baffle me. You’d rather make ZERO than temporarily make less? Nobody is suggesting permanent concessions. Reduced credit would give more people lines and have better reserve utilization as well as reducing downgrades. If it gets too bad take the VLOA. That’s more than zero too and you still collect unemployment.
reduced credit will gives us more lines?? Haha haha. Like we have any control over that, or anything related to PBS
08-07-2020 | 07:15 AM
#119
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These sorts of comments baffle me. You’d rather make ZERO than temporarily make less? Nobody is suggesting permanent concessions. Reduced credit would give more people lines and have better reserve utilization as well as reducing downgrades. If it gets too bad take the VLOA. That’s more than zero too and you still collect unemployment.
The only bargaining tool the pilot group has is shortage. Without that pay will never come back. Welcome to another lost decade.
08-07-2020 | 07:23 AM
#120
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Reduction in guaranteed hours (concession) can easily be tied to furlough numbers.
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